The Search for the next Obama

[Illini Moderate]

The Democratic party should not be looking for the next Obama. They should be looking for an authentic candidate that fits the voter's values the best without pandering to corporations. The new candidate should also be in touch with the younger community, which is where the party's strength lies, and should NOT alienate whole swaths of the United States.

Another Obama is not needed. What is needed, is another good candidate who is connected with the people.

Her name is AOC.

AOC is wayyyy too polarizing to be the next Obama. She has hardly any appeal outside of major cities and young people. I like a lot of what she fights for, but her messaging can be godawful at times. She is good at garnering media coverage, but she's just too hated and extreme

[Never Made it to Graceland]

The Democratic party should not be looking for the next Obama. They should be looking for an authentic candidate that fits the voter's values the best without pandering to corporations. The new candidate should also be in touch with the younger community, which is where the party's strength lies, and should NOT alienate whole swaths of the United States.

Another Obama is not needed. What is needed, is another good candidate who is connected with the people.

Her name is AOC.

AOC is wayyyy too polarizing to be the next Obama. She has hardly any appeal outside of major cities and young people. I like a lot of what she fights for, but her messaging can be godawful at times. She is good at garnering media coverage, but she's just too hated and extreme

That assumes the electorate and the American political landscape will be identical in 20 years.

[McGarnagle]

The Democratic party should not be looking for the next Obama. They should be looking for an authentic candidate that fits the voter's values the best without pandering to corporations. The new candidate should also be in touch with the younger community, which is where the party's strength lies, and should NOT alienate whole swaths of the United States.

Another Obama is not needed. What is needed, is another good candidate who is connected with the people.

Her name is AOC.

AOC is wayyyy too polarizing to be the next Obama. She has hardly any appeal outside of major cities and young people. I like a lot of what she fights for, but her messaging can be godawful at times. She is good at garnering media coverage, but she's just too hated and extreme

That assumes the electorate and the American political landscape will be identical in 20 years.

Narrator: "It won't."

[ProgressiveModerate]

The Democratic party should not be looking for the next Obama. They should be looking for an authentic candidate that fits the voter's values the best without pandering to corporations. The new candidate should also be in touch with the younger community, which is where the party's strength lies, and should NOT alienate whole swaths of the United States.

Another Obama is not needed. What is needed, is another good candidate who is connected with the people.

Her name is AOC.

AOC is wayyyy too polarizing to be the next Obama. She has hardly any appeal outside of major cities and young people. I like a lot of what she fights for, but her messaging can be godawful at times. She is good at garnering media coverage, but she's just too hated and extreme

That assumes the electorate and the American political landscape will be identical in 20 years.

Definately, there optimal canidate depends upon the time. Obama was the right fit for the moment, and the right person for the moment in the future is unknowable because we don't know what the future will bring.

[The Houstonian]

Any search for the "next Obama" is an exercise in futility, except in the sense that Obama was the "next Bill Clinton." The next Democratic figure to achieve Obama or Clinton levels of admiration will not resemble Obama or Clinton much in terms of personality, mannerisms, or other such external traits.

[Bootes Void]

Beto probably best fit this bill however democrats should look for the next LBJ instead of Obama

[Red Wall]

I already posted on a similar thread but the search for a next Obama (or a next Reagan as many Republicans tried for years) is worthless. Presidential candidates assemble different electoral coalitions over time, winners or losers. Because both had electorally efficient coallitions, their parties supporters look for the next version of them, when at the end you can't copy the results of a past president onto a different candidate.

[Meatball Ron]

It's nuts to me that Harris hasn't been mentioned in the post-2020 portion of this thread. Proves how out of touch with reality this board is, with the ridiculous notion that she is electorally weak. Harris is unarguably the next Obama.

[Da2017]

It's nuts to me that Harris hasn't been mentioned in the post-2020 portion of this thread. Proves how out of touch with reality this board is, with the ridiculous notion that she is electorally weak. Harris is unarguably the next Obama.

I don't think she is the next Obama,but she is not a weak candidate. This forum and online has an irritional hate for her,which does not seem to translate to real life.I know her primary campaign. Look at Biden in 88 and 08.

[Motorcity]

It's nuts to me that Harris hasn't been mentioned in the post-2020 portion of this thread. Proves how out of touch with reality this board is, with the ridiculous notion that she is electorally weak. Harris is unarguably the next Obama.

As someone who does not like Harris, I will admit the hatred is somewhat away from the real world

But she is not the next Obama. Obama went to stardom the moment he gave the keynote at the 2004 DNC. The NYT and Time magazine was calling him a major candidate the moment Kerry lost, despite him not even being sworn in as a senator.

Harris entire primary campaign flopped. She didn't even bother to stay until Iowa. She is seen as a California liberal with ties to silicon valley. Plus she is a women of color. There is no evidence of her being an electoral juggurnut like Obama was.

Remember, before George Flyode was killed she was best known as "Kamala the Kop" and wasn't popular with African Americans.

[prag_prog]

Kamala is neither charismatic like Obama nor does she come across authentic which I think is gonna be her biggest problem. I don't even think Kamala comes close to Obama as an orator.
Maybe she has time to improve in next 4 years but right now, I am pretty bearish on Kamala

[The Houstonian]

It's nuts to me that Harris hasn't been mentioned in the post-2020 portion of this thread. Proves how out of touch with reality this board is, with the ridiculous notion that she is electorally weak. Harris is unarguably the next Obama.

I don't find this to be a ridiculous notion. Just look at how she did in the presidential primaries, especially considering the fact that she was polling in second or third around May 2019.

[Illini Moderate]

The Democratic party should not be looking for the next Obama. They should be looking for an authentic candidate that fits the voter's values the best without pandering to corporations. The new candidate should also be in touch with the younger community, which is where the party's strength lies, and should NOT alienate whole swaths of the United States.

Another Obama is not needed. What is needed, is another good candidate who is connected with the people.

Her name is AOC.

AOC is wayyyy too polarizing to be the next Obama. She has hardly any appeal outside of major cities and young people. I like a lot of what she fights for, but her messaging can be godawful at times. She is good at garnering media coverage, but she's just too hated and extreme

That assumes the electorate and the American political landscape will be identical in 20 years.

I was thinking shorter term, but I still don't see her becoming significantly less polarizing. In 20 years Republicans will have ran a scorched earth campaign against her for 22 years.... Don't really know any amount of political talent that can withstand such a long term battering

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

It's nuts to me that Harris hasn't been mentioned in the post-2020 portion of this thread. Proves how out of touch with reality this board is, with the ridiculous notion that she is electorally weak. Harris is unarguably the next Obama.

I don't find this to be a ridiculous notion. Just look at how she did in the presidential primaries, especially considering the fact that she was polling in second or third around May 2019.

I'm not sold on her myself but isn't this more just an issue of other candidates being far stronger? You can be the "least strong" candidate in one election and perform just fine in another one. Furthermore, she'll have served as the VP (or perhaps even be the President if she succeeds Biden), which is very different than being one of many Senators in a crowded field. We saw how Biden himself benefited from being Obama's VP in this election.

Not saying that this will definitely happen but it's a bit strange to immediately write her off as "weak" for a general Presidential election just because her state and primary election record weren't so hot, especially when she garnered some pretty strong enthusiasm over the past few months. They're not similar electorates.

[pppolitics]

What does people think about Beto and Buttigieg?

They certainly have the charm.

What either of them need is an inroad with black voters.

[Former Crackhead Mike Lindell]

'Inspirational' and 'middle of the road' are two concepts on a divergent path. Good riddance. Moderates should be as dull as their politics.

[pppolitics]

'Inspirational' and 'middle of the road' are two concepts on a divergent path. Good riddance. Moderates should be as dull as their politics.

This is not true at all.

Being charismatic has nothing to do with being a left wing or right wing nutjob.

[Agonized-Statism]

It's like the 1960s-1980s search for the next Kennedy. You'll never find him. You'll never get his exact campaign, coalition, and circumstances back. Why would you want to? "Hope" and "change" got us Trump. It didn't end Bush's wars or fix the fundamental problems of Reagan's economy. Take off the rose-tinted glasses, millennials. You're not kids anymore and you're not up against an out-of-touch GOP anymore. You're bleeding voters as is. Move on or lose.

[Derpist]

The next Obama has probably been cancelled already.

[dw93]

We need a 21st Century FDR, not another Obama.

[tallguy23]

No, just like there won't be another Reagan or Kennedy. You only get an iconic/consequential POTUS every 30 years or so.

[Motorcity]

No, just like there won't be another Reagan or Kennedy. You only get an iconic/consequential POTUS every 30 years or so.

So, why havent we had a consequential president yet?

20 years after FDR, we got LBJ, 20 years later we got Reagan.

Yet no president since than has caused immense change

[Del Tachi]

No, just like there won't be another Reagan or Kennedy. You only get an iconic/consequential POTUS every 30 years or so.

So, why havent we had a consequential president yet?

20 years after FDR, we got LBJ, 20 years later we got Reagan.

Yet no president since than has caused immense change

Trump, lol

[Motorcity]

No, just like there won't be another Reagan or Kennedy. You only get an iconic/consequential POTUS every 30 years or so.

So, why havent we had a consequential president yet?

20 years after FDR, we got LBJ, 20 years later we got Reagan.

Yet no president since than has caused immense change

Trump, lol

Long term, what has he done differently than Bush or Obama that cant be reverse? Other than embarrass the country

[Pericles]

No, just like there won't be another Reagan or Kennedy. You only get an iconic/consequential POTUS every 30 years or so.

So, why havent we had a consequential president yet?

20 years after FDR, we got LBJ, 20 years later we got Reagan.

Yet no president since than has caused immense change

Trump, lol

Trump was not more consequential than Obama lol. Supreme Court justices are his main achievement and that's pretty indirect. He largely failed legislatively.