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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2016, 10:04:00 AM »

Not a single comment about what has led to Trump's popularity. Just a lot of blaming and finger-pointing, especially about Hillary. I suppose that answers my question.

In the most generous possible explanation, it's clear our educational system has some massive failings.
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2016, 10:06:33 AM »

What did we do to deserve a 33+% chance of a Trump presidency?


Why do we deserve a 67% chance of a corrupt criminal?

If you think she is that, then you should change your number to 100% because Trump is a corrupt criminal himself. Or I suppose we can keep it at 67% and just ignore everything that's come out about Trump the past 16+ months.

How is Trump a criminal?
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2016, 10:14:53 AM »

What did we do to deserve a 33+% chance of a Trump presidency?


Why do we deserve a 67% chance of a corrupt criminal?

If you think she is that, then you should change your number to 100% because Trump is a corrupt criminal himself. Or I suppose we can keep it at 67% and just ignore everything that's come out about Trump the past 16+ months.

How is Trump a criminal?

Illegal housing violations, equal employment violations, tax evasion, bribery, racketeering, sexual assault, and the list goes on?
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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2016, 10:17:10 AM »

Not a single comment about what has led to Trump's popularity. Just a lot of blaming and finger-pointing, especially about Hillary. I suppose that answers my question.


Because there are a lot of stupid, ignorant people who are willing to openly embrace evil in America.

What drives support towards Trump is irrelevant. He is publicly opposed to EVERYTHING America has stood for my entire life. AND, he's also a compulisve liar AND grossly incompetent. There's literally no excuse for voting for him. At all.
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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2016, 10:18:56 AM »

Because the Cubs won, one evil comes a million follow. Cry
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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2016, 10:21:14 AM »

Because such a large portion of the American electorate consists of fu--ing idiots.
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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2016, 10:22:59 AM »
« Edited: November 03, 2016, 10:26:53 AM by Old Europe »

Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate. In 2008, she lost against a black half-term senator. She had to run against a 74-year old self-described "socialist" from New England in order to win the Democratic nomination. If she becomes president, it will be because Donald Trump is an even weaker candidate (although "weak" isn't really the right word I'd use to describe Trump, more like "insane"). Hillary Clinton is unlikable, uncharismatic, and a stiff. This doesn't mean she wouldn't be a good president. It's quite possible she'll be a better president than Obama or her husband. She just not a very good candidate.

A different question is why the Republican Party keeps to move further and further to the right and why it hasn't killed the party yet. Nowadays, George W. Bush could be almost considered a moderate Republican. Ten years from now he'll probably described be as a RINO. It hasn't even the country as a whole which moves to the right... it's the Republican base which moves further and further to the right and away from everybody else.
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2016, 10:26:26 AM »

Nominate Hillary Clinton to run against him.
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2016, 10:49:16 AM »

Because we nominated a woman -there was always going to be a built-in penalty (see Hillary's 30 point drop from her near 70% approvals in early 2013 to about 40% now), especially given many Americans' aversion to overtly ambitious female politicians. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2016, 11:27:34 AM »

Nominate Hillary Clinton to run against him.
Maybe I shouldn't say it, but Bernie would be doing much better.

I think Bernie would be wiping the floor with Trump.  Bernie doesn't have any scandals (except selling out to Hillary, which wouldn't have happened if he won).  Bernie is likeable, and while a "socialist" he's only talking about healthcare and education: two things everyone needs.
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2016, 11:31:01 AM »

Nominate Hillary Clinton to run against him.
Maybe I shouldn't say it, but Bernie would be doing much better.

I think Bernie would be wiping the floor with Trump.  Bernie doesn't have any scandals (except selling out to Hillary, which wouldn't have happened if he won).  Bernie is likeable, and while a "socialist" he's only talking about healthcare and education: two things everyone needs.
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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2016, 02:28:57 PM »

Because we nominated a woman -there was always going to be a built-in penalty (see Hillary's 30 point drop from her near 70% approvals in early 2013 to about 40% now), especially given many Americans' aversion to overtly ambitious female politicians. 

Like Palin!
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2016, 02:36:02 PM »

Simple, though alarming, answer: Authoritarianism is far more popular than almost anyone realized before this year.
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2016, 02:39:31 PM »

It's fairly simple. About 40% of Americans are deplorables who'd vote for literal Hitler if he had an (R) next to his name (or, actually, would probably do so more enthusiastically than for a generic Republican). Add a couple of points on to that for idiots and lunatics and you end up with the roughly 42%-43% Trump is consistently getting and will get on Election Day.
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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2016, 02:40:32 PM »

Massive social changes have happened over the past few decades, and old white people don't like it.
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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2016, 02:41:47 PM »

most americans aren't as engaged in the political process as we are and - like matt lewis stated perfectly - could give a f-word about civility.

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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2016, 02:42:09 PM »
« Edited: November 03, 2016, 02:46:55 PM by matthew27 »

What did we do to deserve a 33+% chance of a Trump presidency?


Why do we deserve a 67% chance of a corrupt criminal?

How is Hillary corrupt? Any charges or evidence outside of your right wing talking points? Of course, you're making up crap as you rightist normally do!!!! All you have to do is look at your own candidate to see who is corrupt and down right evil.

Trump has a long history of sexual assault, corruption and screwing people out of their life time savings..What the difference between your lies and my truth is Trump is being sued in a court of law for what he has done, While Hillary is constantly being cleared of all wrong doing. Of course, that doesn't matter to you...Don't freaking talk to me about Corruption.
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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2016, 02:57:10 PM »

Simple, though alarming, answer: Authoritarianism is far more popular than almost anyone realized before this year.

Are you saying Clinton is not authoritarian?
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2016, 03:00:36 PM »

In a sane world, 33-67 should be the vote breakdown, not the probability of victory. Sad
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« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2016, 03:01:31 PM »

In a sane world, 33-67 should be the vote breakdown, not the probability of victory. Sad

That's true Sad
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« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2016, 03:03:05 PM »

What I don't understand is that you guys are given reasons why this is happening, and you refuse to accept why.

It isn't some Trump love affair.

In a sane world, neither of these two would be serious candidates let alone nominees.
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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2016, 03:03:38 PM »

We are where we are because

1. The Clinton campaign chose to push forward, even though they KNEW her email problem would be radioactive.  This is documented in leaked emails.

2. The Clinton campaign controlled the Democratic party and the primary process to the extent that they were able to clear the field and overcome a massive, popular surge against her.  This is well documented.

3. Hillary is the embodiment of the political establishment in a year in which most Americans (maybe as many as 80%) believe politicians have betrayed and failed them.  Hillary is the American equivalent of the Brexit "remain" campaign.

4. Trump successfully sold himself as a "non-politician" outside the system, who will tear down the elites and return government to the people (HA!).

5. A large majority of whites, especially white males, believe they have been treated unfairly by a culture of political correctness and "social justice warriors."  Trump speaks to them.

6. Minority enthusiasm for Clinton is way less than it was for Obama - partially for the obvious reason, and partially because they (perhaps rightly) see all candidates as belonging to a political class that doesn't represent their interests.

7. Trump seems to rebound whenever he sticks to the teleprompter and doesn't say outrageous things.  People are quick to forgive him, and his insinuations that he may not accept the election result and wants to throw his opponent in jail didn't hurt him at all.

Frankly, Trump should have had this in the bag, if not for his YUGE personality flaws.
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« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2016, 03:12:36 PM »

We are where we are because

1. The Clinton campaign chose to push forward, even though they KNEW her email problem would be radioactive.  This is documented in leaked emails.

2. The Clinton campaign controlled the Democratic party and the primary process to the extent that they were able to clear the field and overcome a massive, popular surge against her.  This is well documented.

3. Hillary is the embodiment of the political establishment in a year in which most Americans (maybe as many as 80%) believe politicians have betrayed and failed them.  Hillary is the American equivalent of the Brexit "remain" campaign.

4. Trump successfully sold himself as a "non-politician" outside the system, who will tear down the elites and return government to the people (HA!).

5. A large majority of whites, especially white males, believe they have been treated unfairly by a culture of political correctness and "social justice warriors."  Trump speaks to them.

6. Minority enthusiasm for Clinton is way less than it was for Obama - partially for the obvious reason, and partially because they (perhaps rightly) see all candidates as belonging to a political class that doesn't represent their interests.

7. Trump seems to rebound whenever he sticks to the teleprompter and doesn't say outrageous things.  People are quick to forgive him, and his insinuations that he may not accept the election result and wants to throw his opponent in jail didn't hurt him at all.

Frankly, Trump should have had this in the bag, if not for his YUGE personality flaws.

The last time white males voted Democrat was 1964. So apparently white males have felt they are being treated "unfairly" ever since equal rights were introduced. But don't call them racists.
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« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2016, 03:29:11 PM »

We are where we are because

1. The Clinton campaign chose to push forward, even though they KNEW her email problem would be radioactive.  This is documented in leaked emails.

2. The Clinton campaign controlled the Democratic party and the primary process to the extent that they were able to clear the field and overcome a massive, popular surge against her.  This is well documented.

3. Hillary is the embodiment of the political establishment in a year in which most Americans (maybe as many as 80%) believe politicians have betrayed and failed them.  Hillary is the American equivalent of the Brexit "remain" campaign.

4. Trump successfully sold himself as a "non-politician" outside the system, who will tear down the elites and return government to the people (HA!).

5. A large majority of whites, especially white males, believe they have been treated unfairly by a culture of political correctness and "social justice warriors."  Trump speaks to them.

6. Minority enthusiasm for Clinton is way less than it was for Obama - partially for the obvious reason, and partially because they (perhaps rightly) see all candidates as belonging to a political class that doesn't represent their interests.

7. Trump seems to rebound whenever he sticks to the teleprompter and doesn't say outrageous things.  People are quick to forgive him, and his insinuations that he may not accept the election result and wants to throw his opponent in jail didn't hurt him at all.

Frankly, Trump should have had this in the bag, if not for his YUGE personality flaws.

The last time white males voted Democrat was 1964. So apparently white males have felt they are being treated "unfairly" ever since equal rights were introduced. But don't call them racists.

Trump won't just win white males.  He will win them in a landslide.
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« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2016, 03:49:31 PM »

What I don't understand is that you guys are given reasons why this is happening, and you refuse to accept why.

It isn't some Trump love affair.

In a sane world, neither of these two would be serious candidates let alone nominees.

I think people smell the rot on Capitol Hill and want an anti-establishment candidate.

It would be interesting to see how Bernie would poll. I guess my only concern with Bernie would have been the logistics of dealing with a national debt of $140 Trillion after his first term.

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