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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2016, 04:13:34 PM »

Glorious news from an accurate pollster! They nailed 2012 and it's right in line with what I think we'll soon see.

Clinton will win by 7-11 points.
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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2016, 04:18:52 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2016, 04:22:33 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.
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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2016, 04:51:01 PM »

Too long time span. Shame, I could have used some good news right now.
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2016, 04:53:53 PM »

Too long time span. Shame, I could have used some good news right now.
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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2016, 04:55:14 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2016, 08:25:40 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.
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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2016, 09:37:52 PM »

literally wut

also Johnson's not at 8% bruh
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2016, 09:58:06 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2016, 10:09:31 PM »

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?
He didn't say that the only poll that matters is election day, you did.
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2016, 10:15:43 PM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?

They didn't.
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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2016, 12:27:01 AM »

It's hard to believe anything from RAND, since basically as an organization they are consistent backers of the total Neo-Con Foreign Policy adventures that caused my friend to die in Iraq based upon the lies of WMDs that they propagated and promoted.

Still, I'm assuming their polling outfit isn't a total partisan Neo-Con hack gig, so throw it into the hopper, and let the worms work out the debris at the bottom of the compost heap, regardless of their top-line numbers and my opinions regarding their political agenda and polling methodology.
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2016, 12:58:03 AM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.

"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?

They didn't.

The betting markets, poll aggregators, election models, and common sense all disagree.
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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2016, 01:05:08 AM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.


"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?

They didn't.

The betting markets, poll aggregators, election models, and common sense all disagree.

Many bad polls lately and it has been proven that the vast majority of voters don't care about her emails. Trust me, you should not worry too soon. Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2016, 01:09:20 AM »

I have to think this is just as much an outlier as that NC T+7 poll
As was said before, they were one of the best pollsters in 2012. I'll wait for election night to see wether I should panic or not.


"The only poll that matters is the one on election day?"

Jeez, Dems might be in bigger trouble than I thought if we're seeing this canard used here...
Stop.

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?

They didn't.

The betting markets, poll aggregators, election models, and common sense all disagree.

Many bad polls lately and it has been proven that the vast majority of voters don't care about her emails. Trust me, you should not worry too soon. Smiley

No, IceSpear is correct.  The aggregate of polls, no matter how you weight for past pollster quality, has tightened.  There's really no way to reasonably read the polls without coming to a high-confidence chance the race has slightly tightened.  Also, just because a "vast majority" of voters don't care about emails doesn't mean no voters do; even a move in preference or intent-to-vote of a few points in a subset of voters, will move the needle.
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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2016, 04:38:47 AM »

Stop what? Are you still pretending the email stuff had no impact?
He didn't say that the only poll that matters is election day, you did.
This. Don't put words in my mouth IceSpear.
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2016, 01:02:15 PM »

We have a new winner of the junkiest of junk polls.
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