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Figueira
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« on: October 23, 2016, 04:23:53 PM »

This affected 538's national model by 1.3 points. A poll from Oklahoma.

Which is ludicrous, because it moved the Oklahoma odds by much less than that.  This is a flaw in the model.

Well in Oklahoma, Trump was already at over 99% so it's not like this poll could move it that far. The idea is that if Trump is further ahead than expected in Oklahoma, he's also more likely to win Ohio and North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I agree that it's probably a flaw in the model though, due to the overall lack of polling in Oklahoma. This practically cancelled out the Washington Post national poll that came out today, which is silly.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2016, 04:47:29 PM »

This affected 538's national model by 1.3 points. A poll from Oklahoma.

Which is ludicrous, because it moved the Oklahoma odds by much less than that.  This is a flaw in the model.

Well in Oklahoma, Trump was already at over 99% so it's not like this poll could move it that far. The idea is that if Trump is further ahead than expected in Oklahoma, he's also more likely to win Ohio and North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I agree that it's probably a flaw in the model though, due to the overall lack of polling in Oklahoma. This practically cancelled out the Washington Post national poll that came out today, which is silly.

Oklahoma has practically zero to do with those other states culturally or socially

True, but there's no reason to think he would be surging in Oklahoma and nowhere else. The problem, of course, is that with so few polls out of the state, it's less likely to be a surge than statistical noise. If there were like 3 polls a week out of Oklahoma showing Trump up 18 and the he suddenly surged to 30, that might be more significant.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2016, 07:35:28 PM »

Assuming uniform swing, this suggests a Clinton +8 nationwide lead.

So what's really going on is that the previous polls in Oklahoma showed an unusually close race.
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