Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative or the reverse?

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can we use the atlas preferred nomenclature? i.e. Western Ukraine vs Eastern Ukraine; or alternatively "like me lol " vs "not like me very much "

[RINO Tom]

can we use the atlas preferred nomenclature? i.e. Western Ukraine vs Eastern Ukraine; or alternatively "like me lol " vs "not like me very much "

Fine by me!  The descriptions will still be stupid, and you'll still know exactly what they're referring to.

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

Surprised at the results, but oddly enough I think I fall under SCFL option 2.

[Mr. Smith]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

No different from using "fiscal conservative" to describe any sort of cut.

[All Along The Watchtower]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

Not if you want to equate left-wing economics with financial irresponsibility. Which of course, is the whole point.

Anyway, I've said this before, but people who describe themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" are usually just Republican voters who don't want to look like bigots.

[RINO Tom]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

Not if you want to equate left-wing economics with financial irresponsibility. Which of course, is the whole point.

Anyway, I've said this before, but people who describe themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" are usually just Republican voters who don't want to look like bigots.

Or who, ya know, AREN'T BIGOTS.

[HisGrace]

Option 1, because neoliberalism is the greatest force for good in the world today.

[White Trash]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

Not if you want to equate left-wing economics with financial irresponsibility. Which of course, is the whole point.

Anyway, I've said this before, but people who describe themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" are usually just Republican voters who don't want to look like bigots.

Or who, ya know, AREN'T BIGOTS.

Social conservatism isn't inherently bigoted.

[RINO Tom]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

Not if you want to equate left-wing economics with financial irresponsibility. Which of course, is the whole point.

Anyway, I've said this before, but people who describe themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" are usually just Republican voters who don't want to look like bigots.

Or who, ya know, AREN'T BIGOTS.

Social conservatism isn't inherently bigoted.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that at all.  However, neither is being a Republican, which was DEFINITELY implied by PR.  (I'm assuming HE doesn't think social liberalism has a strong connection to being a bigot, yet said socially liberal Republicans *don't want to look like bigots*, as if their Republicanism inherently brands them as a bigot and they're just trying to wave the socially liberal banner to hide that fact.)

[White Trash]

using "fiscally liberal" to describe left wing economics is beyond bizarre.

Not if you want to equate left-wing economics with financial irresponsibility. Which of course, is the whole point.

Anyway, I've said this before, but people who describe themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" are usually just Republican voters who don't want to look like bigots.

Or who, ya know, AREN'T BIGOTS.

Social conservatism isn't inherently bigoted.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that at all.  However, neither is being a Republican, which was DEFINITELY implied by PR.  (I'm assuming HE doesn't think social liberalism has a strong connection to being a bigot, yet said socially liberal Republicans *don't want to look like bigots*, as if their Republicanism inherently brands them as a bigot and they're just trying to wave the socially liberal banner to hide that fact.)

That's fair enough.

[President Johnson]

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative of course.

Government has an obligation to live within its means and not handing over a huge deficit to the next generation. I believe in government efficiency and fiscal solvency. Spending money you don't have doesn't work on a long-term basis. Going into the red is only appropriated in a deep recession to stimulate the economy again on a temporary basis. On the other hand, government should not dictate people who to love and women what to do with their health. Immigration is largely an enrichment for a country as long as it remains properly regulated. The real obligation the government has with this regard is taking care that everyone is treated equally. Everyone should live the way he/she wants as long as it does not affect others in a negative way.

[NOT gonna be banned soon]

option 2 is awesome

[Lechasseur]

SCFL

[darklordoftech]

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Social conservatism is oppressive and must be stopped.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
That's basically what I am, although I'd say I'm more moderate than conservative on economic issues.

[mvd10]

Option 1, because neoliberalism is the greatest force for good in the world today.

[OneJ]

To be fair, phrases like "socially conservative" or "socially liberal" are debatable too. Think of the freedom to own a gun w/o control. Conservatives are obviously more likely to support this than Liberals/Progressives despite the fact that this view means being liberal or lenient with the right to bear arms.

[Alabama_Indy10]

SCFL

[The Govanah Jake]

Option 2.

[Dr. MB]

Option 2.

[vanguard96]

Option 2, because neoliberalism is the most dangerous threat we face.

No it's socialism

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

All I know is I've never been accused of being liberally social.

[vanguard96]

Fiscal conservatism and the fiscal policies of elected politicians who claim to be socially liberal can be problematic - such as refusing to accompany tax cuts with spending cuts. Also socially one can be a libertine or conservative in their personal or family life but still agree that government should not enforce social norms and policies particularly those already built in as wrong such as theft and for consensual exchange between adults.

When I see that phrase I see Bill Weld trotting out that line. Which irks me as positioning the party as an artificial centrist party with no deep principles behind it.

Still I prefer him to an authoritarian populist which is the worst type out there - be they nationalist or internationalist, they are cut from the same cloth

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Option 1, because neoliberalism is the greatest force for good in the world today.

[F. Joe Haydn]

Option 1. However much I may dislike neoliberalism, in my mind many of the positions that "social conservatives" hold are inexcusable. Opposition to abortion, gay marriage, and gun control are positions to which I am completely unsympathetic. Also, many people who describe themselves as option 2 are the type who said they would've voted for Le Pen over Macron because "she was economically to the left of him." Supporting such a vile and racist candidate does not lend me any sympathy toward them. Basically, I agree with this statement:

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Social conservatism is oppressive and must be stopped.