ABC News/Washington Post National Poll: Clinton+4

[Gass3268]

I'll believe it when I see it, especially coming from Drudge.

Drudge wouldn't lie about it.  He probably has access to tomorrow's Washington Post right now.  In some places, you can get an early edition of the Sunday paper on Saturday night.

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

[Fusionmunster]

I'll believe it when I see it, especially coming from Drudge.

Drudge wouldn't lie about it.  He probably has access to tomorrow's Washington Post right now.  In some places, you can get an early edition of the Sunday paper on Saturday night.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

[Milton Friedman]

I'll believe it when I see it, especially coming from Drudge.

Drudge wouldn't lie about it.  He probably has access to tomorrow's Washington Post right now.  In some places, you can get an early edition of the Sunday paper on Saturday night.

Drudge has lied or posted exit poll/poll data that is off by a few numbers in the past...

[ApatheticAustrian]

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

i doubt that would be legal.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Drudge has lied or posted exit poll/poll data that is off by a few numbers in the past...

just assume it's correct.

i guessed we are in for a +5 average anyway.

[Fusionmunster]

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

i doubt that would be legal.

He's already leaked the "topline".

[Gass3268]

Clinton wouldn't be doing zero events this weekend if she was only up by low single digits.

[cinyc]

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

This isn't an early exit poll, which Joe Public never sees.  It is a very verifiable poll that will be released for all to see shortly after midnight.  There is very little reason to lie about it.  He would be proven wrong.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

All non-political geeks care about is the margin.  We care about more than that, but we're atypical.

[Dr. Arch]

Honestly, I'm not worried. The last debate is coming up and who knows what other tapes are on the way for Trump. And this is within the MoE.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i would have loved for the race to be +10 hillary at some point but if trumo scandals alone could have achieved that, it would have happened months ago.

[PresidentSamTilden]

538 adjusted the last one (C+2 on 9/28) by 2 points to C+4. This would probably be adjusted to C+5 or 6, which is really pretty stable with what we've been seeing recently.

which is kind of interesting since it's an A+ pollster.

Lol, true. When they polled last though, Marist had a C+6, and NBC/WSJ had a C+7. So they do seem to lean a little R for whatever reason.

Overall, this is a little disappointing. But, maybe not as much as it seems on the surface.

[Fusionmunster]

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

This isn't an early exit poll, which Joe Public never sees.  It is a very verifiable poll that will be released for all to see shortly after midnight.  There is very little reason to lie about it.  He would be proven wrong.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

All non-political geeks care about is the margin.  We care about more than that, but we're atypical.

Why doesnt he just post the topline if he has it?

[ApatheticAustrian]

Why doesnt he just post the topline if he has it?

i guess too much details would be a problem.

and highlighting a result without any link is silly too.

[cinyc]

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

This isn't an early exit poll, which Joe Public never sees.  It is a very verifiable poll that will be released for all to see shortly after midnight.  There is very little reason to lie about it.  He would be proven wrong.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

All non-political geeks care about is the margin.  We care about more than that, but we're atypical.

Why doesnt he just post the topline if he has it?

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Who knows?  Maybe he just has the WaPo headline, not the actual paper.  Maybe he thinks it's too inside baseball and nobody cares.  Maybe he doesn't want to burn his source at the Washington Post.

I doubt Drudge would lie about it, though.  He'd end up looking bad.

[Fusionmunster]

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

This isn't an early exit poll, which Joe Public never sees.  It is a very verifiable poll that will be released for all to see shortly after midnight.  There is very little reason to lie about it.  He would be proven wrong.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

All non-political geeks care about is the margin.  We care about more than that, but we're atypical.

Why doesnt he just post the topline if he has it?

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Who knows?  Maybe he just has the WaPo headline, not the actual paper.  Maybe he thinks it's too inside baseball and nobody cares.  Maybe he doesn't want to burn his source at the Washington Post.

I doubt Drudge would lie about it, though.  He'd end up looking bad.

That ship sailed years ago.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I doubt Drudge would lie about it, though.  He'd end up looking bad.

drudge got full-course bat-sh**t crazy the last days and lying/get such a thing wrong  would be much less damning in my eyes.

but i am quite sure it's true.

this election will be far closer than assumed...once again.

[ProudModerate2]

He lied about exit polls during the primary.

This isn't an early exit poll, which Joe Public never sees.  It is a very verifiable poll that will be released for all to see shortly after midnight.  There is very little reason to lie about it.  He would be proven wrong.

Then why doesnt he just post the numbers?

All non-political geeks care about is the margin.  We care about more than that, but we're atypical.

Why doesnt he just post the topline if he has it?

Who knows?  Maybe he just has the WaPo headline, not the actual paper.  Maybe he thinks it's too inside baseball and nobody cares.  Maybe he doesn't want to burn his source at the Washington Post.
I doubt Drudge would lie about it, though.  He'd end up looking bad.

That ship sailed years ago.

Exactly.
It's the f**king Drudge. Are you kidding !

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

I hope Drudge is wrong about this...Hopefully the real poll comes out with Clinton at +8.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I hope Drudge is wrong about this...Hopefully the real poll comes out with Clinton at +8.

if the last poll has been hillary +2 in late september.... (one of her worse polls) and let's say she was at +6 directly after the second debate....

+4 sounds right.

[ProudModerate2]

I hope Drudge is wrong about this...Hopefully the real poll comes out with Clinton at +8.

I mean .... I could be wrong, but the fact that it's coming from The Drudge and it's a low number .... I just have this doubt also.
I'm not hoping for some "very large number" .... but +4 sounds a bit on the low-side.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I mean .... I could be wrong, but the fact that it's coming from The Drudge and it's a low number .... I just have this doubt also.

the only POSSIBLE take on that would be...hillary +4 compared to the last poll.

but not very realistic i guess...prepare for hillary +4 in 4-way.

[Devout Centrist]

I ain't seeing sh*t on Drudge.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I ain't seeing sh*t on Drudge.

look on the little headlines in the top-left corner.

still developing since there will be nothing until tomorrow.

[cinyc]

I ain't seeing sh*t on Drudge.

look on the little headlines in the top-left corner.

still developing since there will be nothing until tomorrow.

Tomorrow is just about 1.25 to 1.5 hours away, if the times the WaPo has released the poll in the past is any indication.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Tomorrow is just about 1.25 to 1.5 hours away, if the times the WaPo has released the poll in the past is any indication.

are those numbers usually officially shared before the morning shows?