Who is your favorite Center-Right or Right Wing Leader in the world(Current)

[White Trash]

I could say Shinzo Abe for his actually good fiscal policies but he's so wretched otherwise.

Abenomics is macroeconomically...decent, but is doing bupkis to help the economy that most Japanese people actually experience and live in.

Is he a Keynesian? Or am I completely misreading the nature of Japanese politics.

[Slow Learner]

Actually, nvm about Merkel. Key's a good shout.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Erna Solberg, maybe?

[DoctorWinstonOBoogie]

Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel

[Boston Bread]

Merkel. A lot of people I know think she's a centrist and not centre-right, though. If she doesn't count I'd go with Theresa May.

[Intell]

Solberg, or Rasmussen are alright. Orban's quite good in some regards.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Orban's quite good in some regards.

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The Japanese right (and Abe in general) are fans of "public works" in a very top-down paternalistic sense. It's how their power structure works - they have the power, and will dole out capital if you work along with the status quo. It's  government that operates in a mutualistic relationship with the large businesses.

At first glance, this is macro-economically superior to the Eurozone's self-corseting gold standrad or the Republican Party's explicitly nihilistic agenda; but looking at the way Japan's economy actually works - the power structure of the companies, descended from the old Zaibatsu; the working hours verging on systematic abuse and of course the increased dependence on consumption taxes that makes the overly friendly relationships between the private sector and the government appear dangerously retrograde.

All though I will say Abe makes a killer MArio.

[SNJ1985]

Orbán and Putin, as far as heads of state and government are concerned.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Japanese right (and Abe in general) are fans of "public works" in a very top-down paternalistic sense. It's how their power structure works - they have the power, and will dole out capital if you work along with the status quo. It's  government that operates in a mutualistic relationship with the large businesses.

At first glance, this is macro-economically superior to the Eurozone's self-corseting gold standrad or the Republican Party's explicitly nihilistic agenda; but looking at the way Japan's economy actually works - the power structure of the companies, descended from the old Zaibatsu; the working hours verging on systematic abuse and of course the increased dependence on consumption taxes that makes the overly friendly relationships between the private sector and the government appear dangerously retrograde.

All though I will say Abe makes a killer MArio.

Agreed. It's probably the one G20 country where economic liberalism might actually be easier on the average Jōsuke than more 'internal improvements'. At least the freeters get some time to themselves, even if the culture isn't there for them to use it well.

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I understand why people are saying Merkel, but I disagree. A serial problem with her, from her swift reversal from ultra-rightist economics in her first election to her policies on energy, refugees and the euro; is that all her policies are basically driven by reaction rather than planning. fact the refugee crisis makes it most obvious. She was the primary drag in Renzi's attempts to alleviate the early stages of the crisis through quotas, and allowed it spiral out of control in early 2015; at which point her government shifted gears in a way that was ultimately cruel to the millions of refugees who were given hope of a resettlement that would never come. As the polls soured on migrants and the Right of her party started to bubble up long-standing resentments against her abandonment of rightist values after her 2005 setback; she again became reactive (see: the Turk Erdogan deal, which will probably be repeated across Africa with various despots)

As somebody who supports European integration, she is damaging the integrity of the EU and plays a serious part to blame in the resentments and crack-ups within the bloc. I highly doubt she will be viewed favourably by history.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The Japanese right (and Abe in general) are fans of "public works" in a very top-down paternalistic sense. It's how their power structure works - they have the power, and will dole out capital if you work along with the status quo. It's  government that operates in a mutualistic relationship with the large businesses.

At first glance, this is macro-economically superior to the Eurozone's self-corseting gold standrad or the Republican Party's explicitly nihilistic agenda; but looking at the way Japan's economy actually works - the power structure of the companies, descended from the old Zaibatsu; the working hours verging on systematic abuse and of course the increased dependence on consumption taxes that makes the overly friendly relationships between the private sector and the government appear dangerously retrograde.

All though I will say Abe makes a killer MArio.

Agreed. It's probably the one G20 country where economic liberalism might actually be easier on the average Jōsuke than more 'internal improvements'. At least the freeters get some time to themselves, even if the culture isn't there for them to use it well.

no wonder that YP is now part of the Democrats. I think the case could be argued that Korea is in a similar boat. Maybe PRC as well, considering how much the state just perversely invests in power plants that are immediately mothballed and cities which lie empty to fulfill quotas.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Orban's quite good in some regards.

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Dude, this guy is pretty much an actual fascist (he even supports Trump over Hillary!), you've only been giving him a pass due to "muh non-libertine leftism" (which isn't even really actual leftism anymore than Putin is.)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

John Key

[Hash]

John Key is a sick pervert.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Japanese right (and Abe in general) are fans of "public works" in a very top-down paternalistic sense. It's how their power structure works - they have the power, and will dole out capital if you work along with the status quo. It's  government that operates in a mutualistic relationship with the large businesses.

At first glance, this is macro-economically superior to the Eurozone's self-corseting gold standrad or the Republican Party's explicitly nihilistic agenda; but looking at the way Japan's economy actually works - the power structure of the companies, descended from the old Zaibatsu; the working hours verging on systematic abuse and of course the increased dependence on consumption taxes that makes the overly friendly relationships between the private sector and the government appear dangerously retrograde.

All though I will say Abe makes a killer MArio.

Agreed. It's probably the one G20 country where economic liberalism might actually be easier on the average Jōsuke than more 'internal improvements'. At least the freeters get some time to themselves, even if the culture isn't there for them to use it well.

no wonder that YP is now part of the Democrats. I think the case could be argued that Korea is in a similar boat. Maybe PRC as well, considering how much the state just perversely invests in power plants that are immediately mothballed and cities which lie empty to fulfill quotas.

Of course, the remaining problem, in the Japanese context, is that due to the good old tateshakai economic liberalization perforce comes hand-in-hand with social atomization, which is never good but which mixes with Japanese culture in particular like baking soda and vinegar.

[Intell]

Orban's quite good in some regards.

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Dude, this guy is pretty much an actual fascist (he even supports Trump over Hillary!), you've only been giving him a pass due to "muh non-libertine leftism" (which isn't even really actual leftism anymore than Putin is.

No actually.

[Intell]

Orban's quite good in some regards.

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Dude, this guy is pretty much an actual fascist (he even supports Trump over Hillary!), you've only been giving him a pass due to "muh non-libertine leftism" (which isn't even really actual leftism anymore than Putin is.)

You're honestly an idiot, a person who engages in circlejerk politics, has no idea of other views, and act, let me rephrase that, you are a bully, not just a bully in some regards.

[Intell]

Orban's quite good in some regards.

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Dude, this guy is pretty much an actual fascist (he even supports Trump over Hillary!), you've only been giving him a pass due to "muh non-libertine leftism" (which isn't even really actual leftism anymore than Putin is.)

Continue to call me facist though.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Intell, I'd be very interested to know what respects you think Orban is good in. I'm willing to hear you out, but it's a worrying statement for someone with a maroon avatar to make.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Of Course none of the conservatives leaders today are even close to being as good as Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and Margaret Thatcher

[SATW]

1. Benjamin Netanyahu
2. Shinzo Abe
(Theresa May)* Not ranking her yet, but if I had too she'd be up here*
3. Malcolm Turnbull
4. Narendra Modi
5. John Key

Only strongly approve of Bibi from this list. I miss Harper and Cameron.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Of Course none of the conservatives leaders today are even close to being as good as Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and Margaret Thatcher

This is an even sicker burn than you intend it to be!

[Intell]

Orban is basically a backlash by the Hungarian Population, against foreign organisations, and the socialists support of neo-liberalism and globalisation, while shafting the Hungarian Populace. He's ideology (somewaht) is a resentment of some of the forgotten members of society, the resentments of former peasants and the working class, with a person who (seems) to support ideals of national sovereignty and big f*k you to foreign beureucrats.

Also Orban is also more anti-thatcherite economics (still right-wing though) than the other center-right leaders. He seems to be more willing to protect national intrests, against foreign businesses than other of the leaders, who are more than willing to sell the contury down a river. He also abolishes student tuition (or something) no?

However Orban is still horrific, handling of the refugee crisis, and government corruption, and more of a showman than other sh*t.

[aross]

Orban is basically a backlash by the Hungarian Population, against foreign organisations, and the socialists support of neo-liberalism and globalisation, while shafting the Hungarian Populace. He's ideology (somewaht) is a resentment of some of the forgotten members of society, the resentments of former peasants and the working class, with a person who (seems) to support ideals of national sovereignty and big f*k you to foreign beureucrats.

Also Orban is also more anti-thatcherite economics (still right-wing though) than the other center-right leaders. He seems to be more willing to protect national intrests, against foreign businesses than other of the leaders, who are more than willing to sell the contury down a river. He also abolishes student tuition (or something) no?

However Orban is still horrific, handling of the refugee crisis, and government corruption, and more of a showman than other sh*t.

Oh boy. I'm not even entirely hostile to the narrative you're basing this on, but.

As someone who has actually been at least somewhat personally aware of the consequences of his rule, Orbán is a nasty, corrupt bastard representing all the most evil elements of the Hungarian reaction. If he is concerned with any part of the Hungarian population beyond himself, it is the traditional, conservative Hungarian bourgeoisie - and of course he started off as a Thatcherite young turk in the aftermath of '90 himself. He has neatly combined the two into privatisation and so-called 'land reform'* programmes that benefit his friends and allied oligarchs - but they're native oligarchs, so that's fine then. Anyway, those who you assert he represents in fact largely vote for the band of Nazi thugs known as Jobbik these days. Associating oneself with them is still a rather massive step down the road to infamy from Fidesz.

*In fact, auctioning state-owned land cheaply leased to farmers off to Fidesz mayors et al on the cheap, all to prevent the foreigners buying it up because they couldn't possibly have stopped that by holding on to it.

He also abolishes student tuition (or something) no?

Fought against it in opposition, introduced a harsher version in office. Hungarian education spending is, needless to say, one of the lowest in Europe.

Oh yeah,

the forgotten members of society

that'll be the gypsies then?

As for the actual question, possibly Rutte? It's a grim bunch. Or perhaps Michel.
Juncker is admittedly hilarious if a massive HP.