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« on: April 25, 2004, 08:28:12 am »
« edited: September 18, 2005, 01:28:52 pm by Boss Tweed »

LBJ, by far.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2004, 08:49:18 am »

Jimmy Carter gets my vote.  And he still stinks, all these years later.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2004, 09:34:56 am »

Why are FDR, Truman and JFK on there? and more importantly, why has JFK got a vote?!?!?!?!
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2004, 09:48:25 am »

Carter. The only contender to him is Wilson, I'd say.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2004, 10:31:37 am »

LBJ. He makes me sick.
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2004, 11:45:50 am »

Why are FDR, Truman and JFK on there? and more importantly, why has JFK got a vote?!?!?!?!

In all fairness, he included all the Democratic presidents of the 20th century.

Carter or Wilson was the worst. The rest were great presidents.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2004, 12:02:31 pm »

i went with wilson.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 12:21:46 pm »

Though I like and respect Carter's commitment to peace and human rights, issues often ignored by American presidents, it was not balanced by a deeper understanding of the outside world. He also never understood how to work with congress. Clearly, he was the least successful of those listed. However, his "failure" is dramatized by conservatives. A great, lasting legacy is the Camp David peace agreement between Egypt and Israel.

What strucks me is that all of those, except for Carter, can be considered as great or good presidents. There are no miserable failures such as Harding, no blockheads such as Reagan, few or none of average/below average presidents such as Bush no. 1, Coolidge, Ford, Hoover and Nixon.

On the basis of achievement, I would list them this way, though those placed 2-6 are very evenly matched:

1. Roosevelt
2. Truman
3. Wilson
4. Johnson
5. Clinton
6. Kennedy
7. Carter
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 04:28:02 pm »

FDR.  Wilson and LBJ participated in pushing socialism in the US, but FDR was the one that truly broke the back of constitutional economic freedom.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2004, 05:56:47 pm »

Carter.  Fumbling and no sense of direction.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2004, 07:16:45 pm »

Mr. Peanut. Surrounded himself with second stringers and never got on top of anything. Probably the best ex-president in the past 50+ years.

Carter's been an embarrassing and anti-american ex-president.  He certainly has drifted left.  
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2004, 10:02:45 pm »

Carter, followed by FDR and Wilson.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2004, 06:01:10 am »

Buchanan
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2004, 03:43:29 pm »


of the twentieth century
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2004, 07:19:22 pm »

Carter
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2004, 10:20:19 pm »

LBJ. No contest.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2004, 10:25:07 pm »

FDR is the worst.  It's his fault that we live in a welfare state.  It's his fault that the government is so big.  That consitutes the majority of our problems as a nation.  Since he caused most of our problems, he is the most dissatisfactory president ever.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2004, 10:50:03 pm »

How could anyone vote for Carter over LBJ?

Did Carter murder 60k Americans and countless Vietnamese?
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2004, 11:21:29 pm »

How could anyone vote for Carter over LBJ?

Did Carter murder 60k Americans and countless Vietnamese?

By that logic FDR and Truman murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans not to mention millions of enemy combatents and countless civilians.

Still think murder is the right word?

The problem with Vietnam was that we fought it wrong.  I like LBJ because the civil rights stuff passed under his administration were fantastic.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2004, 12:22:18 am »

WWII was a just war. Vietnam was not. There wasn't a single good reason for us to be there. We should've just let the North destroy the corrupt South government, and not a single American live would've been lost.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2004, 12:27:26 am »

WWII was a just war. Vietnam was not. There wasn't a single good reason for us to be there. We should've just let the North destroy the corrupt South government, and not a single American live would've been lost.

You don't agree with the war, that doesn't meen LBJ murdered them any more than FDR murdered millions.

There were a few good reasons for us to be in there, but the problem was that we didn't fight the war to win, and thus we lost.  We had politicians running the war and whatnot.  Checking the spread of communism was a reason, and the same reason we were defending South Korea (Did Eisenhower murder 50k in that war?).

I didn't personally agree with it, but LBJ didn't "murder" anybody.
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2004, 12:31:17 am »

Oh, spread of communism, who cares? Like corrupt military regimes are far better. Not a single American should've been sent to Vietnam, the South totally deserved it.

Also, Carter was never involved in the assasination of a sitting president.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2004, 12:39:17 am »

Also, Carter was never involved in the assasination of a sitting president.

Fft, plenty of Presidents were involved in assassinations of Presidents during the Cold War.

And from the perspective of the time, corrupt military regimes ARE better because they are a chess piece on our side of the board.

I don't agree with going into Vietnam, and I agree with you that it was wrong.  But how does the war being wrong from some perspectives cause the President to be a murderer of his own troops if he believes he is helping the world?

I mean, we could consider the Spanish American War to be morally wrong.  Still doesn't make McKinley a murderer.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2004, 12:40:42 am »
« Edited: April 29, 2004, 12:42:49 am by setyourselfonfire »

sure you could. The same way I consider Bush a murderer.

And I was referring to American Presidents. I don't recall any others being assasinated during the Cold War other than JFK.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2004, 02:42:05 pm »

How could anyone vote for Carter over LBJ?

Did Carter murder 60k Americans and countless Vietnamese?

My thoughts exactly

LBJ was the worst foreign policy president EVER, not even close.
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