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« on: October 02, 2016, 09:03:52 PM »



I am happy to announce that the first convention of the Atlas conservative party is being held in Frankfort, Kentucky!

We welcome all Atlas conservatives to come and join. We are discussing everything, from our party motto to party policies and banners, etc.

We would love to have you join us, today!
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 09:04:25 PM »

X - Ben Kenobi
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2016, 10:29:41 PM »

x Santander

Glad to be in a party of patriots!
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2016, 01:50:07 AM »

Glad to have you Santander!
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2016, 01:56:07 AM »
« Edited: October 08, 2016, 02:13:31 AM by IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi »

First Item on the docket.

I would like to propose that the Atlasian conservative party flag will be this:



Byzantine purple on French white, three bars to symbolize the three regions of Atlasia.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2016, 02:14:24 AM »
« Edited: October 08, 2016, 02:48:31 AM by IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi »

Second Item on the docket -

The Atlasian Conservative Party official Motto:

Faith, Family, Fidelity
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2016, 02:31:09 PM »

Third item on the docket - and our first policy release:

The Atlasian Conservative party supports the following statements:

1) Marriage is defined to be the union of one man and one woman. People are free, through freedom of association to form relationships with whomever they choose, however the state will only recognize the marriage of one man and one woman.

The justification for this law is that the State has an interest in self-propagation. As homosexual relationships cannot bear fruit within their unions, there is a substantial difference between the union of a man and a woman and a union of two men or two women.

Consequently:

2) Any and all state, federal and local benefits granted to spouses shall only be provided to marital relationships. There will not be support from the governmental entities for any sort of non-marital relationships. Businesses are free to provide whatever benefits they believe are best for their employees, and will not be affected by changes in federal and state laws of atlasia. This will includes survivor benefits, pensions, etc. However, as the Atlasian Conservative Party believes that individuals should have the right to control their own affairs, we encourage people to designate their heirs within their wills so that their assets can be transferred to those they wish to control their assets.   

3) Immigration spousal visas will only be provided to those in marital relationships between one man and one woman. Resident visas will not be provided to those in non-marital relationships.

4) All state-run institutions for adoption agencies will only place children with families with two married parents, a husband and a wife. As we believe that children have the natural right to a mother and a father, the state has no right to deprive them of this. Whereas individuals have the right to arrange adoptions as they see fit, all adoption agencies will be required to register with the state and to abide by these placement laws.

5) State-run institutions, such as schools, shall not teach that homosexuality is natural and will teach that marriage is an institution between one man and one woman.

6) All organizations run by the state, including schools, and hospitals shall not base their hiring decisions or accommodations based on 'sexual orientation'. Laws based on sexual orientation are no longer in effect. Hospitals are no longer required to provide immediate access to family members based on sexual orientation, although individuals will be able to designate someone through power of attorney.

7) Current laws providing marital licenses to those who are not one man and one woman, or adoptions will be considered null and void. Those in adoptions will have to reapply for placements and those in non-marital relationships will no longer receive spousal benefits from the state.

And by extensions to these laws:

Cool Businesses are not required to supply business to any clients that arrive at their door. A business is free to decline business for whatever reason the business chooses. If a Christian baker chooses not to supply a cake for a pride parade on the basis of their freedom of conscience, then they will be immune from prosecution along these lines. 

9) Businesses that have shut down in the past 10 years and have a credible claim to harassment by homosexual organizations shall receive benefits from the state, equal to their profits prior to the initiation of the harassment, and including all fines and fees levied against them by the state or any other level of government within atlasia. 

10) Individuals that have received termination within the past 10 years will also receive benefits equivalent to one year of employment that they would have otherwise received should they provide substantive evidence that their termination was based on their opposition to homosexuality.

11) No state shall be required to provide benefits for any sort of fertility treatment, including IVF, etc. While people are free to pay out of pocket for these services, the state will not provide benefits for them.

12) Through freedom of religion, all churches are protected from the following: first no church will be required to hire or provide benefits to any homosexual man or woman, second, the church is free to hire and fire these individuals for whatever reasons the church deems appropriate. They will not be required to provide any benefits whatsoever after termination. three, no church will be required to take homosexuals into their leadership and are free to terminate those involved in leadership and four, the church is protected in the freedom of expression of the bible and all content pertaining to the bible, both inside the church and in the public sphere. We believe that Christians have a right to be educated as Christians free of state interference and have the right to protect themselves from intrusions of outsiders.

13) Any individual choosing to violate these laws or interfere with the normal operation of a Christian school or assembly will be arrested and charged with misdemeanor trespassing for a first offense. Subsequent offenses will receive a felony conviction.

Extensions to the laws:

14) The state shall not provide any recognition along the lines of 'transsexual individuals', nor shall they provide associated benefits to said individuals.

15) Individuals are required within state run institutions to use the bathroom according to their natural sex. Bathrooms that are currently built to accommodate, "non-specific genders" are to be repurposed. Businesses are free to designate their bathrooms in whatever fashion they choose.

16) Laws regarding references to 'incorrect pronouns' of fining businesses, individuals and churches, are null and void. No individual will be prosecuted for calling a man a man or a woman a woman, even if said man and woman would prefer a different pronoun.

17) Laws regarding state benefits to hormone therapy are rescinded. While those desiring hormone therapy are free to pay for them out of pocket, the state will not provide benefits for hormone therapy.

18) The state will ban so called 'gender reassignment surgery'. As proven by John Hopkins, the surgery has no therapeutic benefit to the patient, in that patients after the surgery are more likely to commit suicide than those before having the surgery.

19) The state will ban the use of puberty blockers on the grounds that it is child abuse. Children have the right to normal development without interference from others. We don't permit parents to bind their children's feet, nor should we permit them to use puberty blockers on their children.

20) The state will now permit individuals over the age of 18 to seek conversion therapy. Laws based on restricting the psychiatric profession as to what counseling they can provide are deemed unenforceable. Those under the age of 18 will be able to seek conversion therapy provided that they have permission from their parents. Those under the age of 18 who wish to discontinue therapy have the right to provide a written statement to their psychiatrist, who is then required to both acknowledge the receipt of the written statement and to discontinue therapy at the request of the patient. Psychiatrists failing to discontinue therapy at patient request will be stripped of their license.

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2016, 02:42:49 PM »

This party and its platform is frankly despicable. I sincerely hope the atlasian people have enough sense to not elect this party and its insane, bigoted platform.

-Rep. LLR
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2016, 02:45:12 PM »

Excellent! Our first Laborite endorsement!
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2016, 02:59:13 PM »

Ben, I consider myself a true conservative and a defender of "traditional marriage", but I do not want this party to be a single-issue party of opposition to homosexuality.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2016, 03:02:12 PM »

Hi Santander:

This is just one policy.

I have plenty more to roll out as time goes on.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2016, 03:45:24 PM »

lol. Have fun with this!
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2016, 03:47:05 PM »

Thanks, NeverAgain! Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2016, 11:30:51 PM »

I'm Rick Harrison, and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss. Everything in here has a story and a price. One thing I've learned after 21 years - you never know what is gonna come through that door.
if you're going to troll the game I may as well join the fun
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2016, 01:32:49 AM »

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Howdy, Ted. Not sure how I'm trolling here... We are allowed to have parties that represent what we believe, right? Wink
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2016, 10:24:22 AM »

The Atlasian National Association for Lovers (A.N.A.L.) is proud to endorse this lovely organization! Cheesy





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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2016, 10:47:17 AM »

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lol, like any kids would willing have conversion therapy if it's wasn't the desire of their parents.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2016, 11:11:45 AM »

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lol, like any kids would willing have conversion therapy if it's wasn't the desire of their parents.

Lies, Goldwater. The first thing I wanted to do when I realized I was gay was to go to conversion therapy! Sadly my liberal nutjob parents said no.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2016, 12:27:55 PM »

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Parents take their kids in for treatment all the time. I don't see why they shouldn't have the option for this, provided that the kid is willing to go. The law I put down is very clear that if the child doesn't want to go all they have to do is write to their psychiatrist and he has an obligation to discontinue treatment.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2016, 12:39:00 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2016, 01:16:24 PM by IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi »

Fourth item on the docket - and our second policy release:

The Atlasian Conservative party supports the following statements:

1) The current definition of personhood applies to all human beings from conception to natural death.

Consequently:

2) Abortion should be banned throughout atlasia throughout all nine months as abortion kills the life of the unborn child in the womb.

3) Abortifacients like the morning-after pill are also banned because rather than preventing conception, they kill the child in the womb.

Consequently:

4) Doctors providing an abortion to any woman will be fined 50k on the first occurrence and stripped of their license altogether and fined 100k for the second occurrence.

5) All current clinics that provide abortions will be closed, and rebuilt.

6) All pharmacists supplying the morning after pill or chemical abortions will be fined 10k for the first occurrence and will lose their license the second time.

7) All bubble zone laws around clinics are repealed.

Consequently:

7) No doctor shall be fined or forced to refer for abortions. It is sufficient for the doctor to cite their conscience rights to decline participation. This extends to medical residents who will not be required to provide abortions.

Cool No crisis pregnancy center or counseling service shall be required to refer people for abortion.

9) Protestors outside of abortion clinics, shall receive the same freedom of speech protections as union picketers.

10) Ectopic exception.

In the known medical cases where the mother's life would be at risk, doctors will first attempt to save the life of the mother and child, if the child is past the age of viability at 24 weeks, by doing an emergency C-section to attempt to save the life of the baby. In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, where there is no way to save the life of both the mother and the child, doctors will be permitted to excise the unborn child from the fallopian tubes.

All other exceptions for the 'health of the mother' etc will not qualify as legal exceptions under the law.

WRT to euthanasia:

1) The Atlasian conservative party opposes all forms of euthanasia. Whereas the doctrine of double effect is in place, a doctor may prescribe morphine for pain relief, which may hasten death - the intent of the morphine is not to kill the patient, but to provide pain relief. Doctors may not prescribe drugs specifically for the purpose of killing the patient under any circumstances.

2) No doctor, nurse or other hospital worker may be forced to participate in euthanasia. Any of them can cite conscience protections to decline.

3) A doctor if he believes that a patient is suicidal is required to place the patient in for psychological counseling insofar as the patient remains suicidal.

4) The hospital cannot remove treatment for food and water for any reason. Even if the patient requests it, the hospital is required to provide food and water to the patient. Even if the family insists that food and water be withdrawn, the hospital will be required to provide it.

5) Any doctor found or documented in providing euthanasia or attempting to provide euthanasia will be fined 50k for a first occurrence and stripped of his license thereafter and fined 100k.

6) Any hospital found liable for providing euthanasia, or encouraging a patient to seek euthanasia will be fined 50k for a first occurrence. For a second occurrence, the hospital in it's entirety will lose it's certification and will have to recertify in order to continue operations.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2016, 12:41:39 PM »

4) Doctors providing an abortion to any woman will be fined 50k on the first occurrence and stripped of their license altogether and fined 100k for the second occurrence.
If they've been stripped of thier licence, how likely do you think it is that there will be a second occurrence?
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2016, 12:53:53 PM »

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License stripping would occur the second time they were caught doing an abortion. Thereafter they would face criminal prosecution for providing medical services without a license, which would include jail time, etc.

That's also 100k per occurrence. If you do, say 10 abortions, you're getting hit for each one.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2016, 12:55:41 PM »

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License stripping would occur the second time they were caught doing an abortion. Thereafter they would face criminal prosecution for providing medical services without a license, which would include jail time, etc.

That's also 100k per occurrence. If you do, say 10 abortions, you're getting hit for each one.

Unless you get away with it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2016, 12:59:40 PM »

As with anything, that would be the case.
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2016, 01:16:58 PM »

I'm so happy this fringe lunatic party is being treated as such. I mean, conversion therapy? Punishing doctors for performing an abortion? Banning gays from marrying?

You guys are nuts
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