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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2016, 02:02:38 PM »

This feels Totes McGotes like 2012.  And it's going to feel more like 2008 when we finally get to Election Night and Donald's nonexistent GOTV effort and ground game is TRUMPED by Hillary and the Dems knocking on doors and shuttling nice old black ladies to and fro the church and the polling booth.  And of course many youngs coming to their senses and remembering that Johnson has no chance.  

When did you come around on Hillary? I recall you calling her a harpy, ice queen and corporate shill during the primaries

Oh, I am by no means thrilled with Hillary... but all is relative in the universe.  Trump is just beyond terrible, and I would sing with glee at his defeat and the collective soul-crushing of his F-tard supporters.  And she's adopted some of the policy positions of Our Dear Bernie, so the choice became rather easy after the Brexit and the UK's xenophobic temper tantrum.

Makes sense. Good to have you onboard
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« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2016, 02:15:34 PM »

Super encouraging. Trump's climb to the presidency just got 10 feet higher.
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« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2016, 02:18:32 PM »

From the same polling, people were asked who won the first debate :

State                       Debate Winner

Colorado                  Clinton 53, Trump 31
Florida                     Clinton 52, Trump 35
North Carolina          Clinton 53, Trump 31
Pennsylvania            Clinton 51, Trump 32
Virginia                    Clinton 54, Trump 30
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« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2016, 02:22:29 PM »

What are the dates for this?  Please put the dates polls were conducted in your main post when posting polls.  Especially important because we need to know what ratio of these responses were after the debate.

Looks like the poll was conducted only on Tuesday Sept 27th and Wednesday Sept 28th.
So entirely after the debate.
(Can someone confirm this. I'm not entirely sure.)
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« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2016, 03:10:46 PM »

Advocacy polls, and we just now past the 48 hours mark from the debate. Not buying these numbers.

This is by a group called Vets Vote. Veterans' interests are not left-wing on the political spectrum. The special-interest vote is on whether to privatize4 of not privatize Veteran's benefits, a Republican call. 

If you are not going to buy these polls, then what will you accept?

Donald Trump did catastrophically badly in the debate. I'm not saying that it's over... but this is a huge swing.
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« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2016, 03:20:54 PM »

No question this is a good set of polls for Clinton, and the first legit statewide post-debate polls.

We'll see soon if this is indicative of a post-debate significant bounce, or not, but it does start to look like she's getting some movement, in particular Millennials starting to come on board.
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« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2016, 03:49:17 PM »

This is strong. In a 5 poll sample a couple are going to err on the Trump-friendly side so Clinton being ahead in all 5 looks pretty solid!

Looks like we might be headed back to Clinton ahead by mid-single digits again.

very 'TRUMP friendly'

PPP Polls 9/27-28 sampling
FL: DEM 45% | REP 37% | IND 18%
NC: DEM 41% | REP 32% | IND 27%

But muh Purty ID...  How's President Romney's approval looking these days?

Silence, unskewer!

Unskewer?

I'm telling u with real election 2.28 million samples.

Vote-by-mail in FL, 9/29/2016.
REP 43.6% > DEM 37.3%  R +6.3% (with '2.28 million' samples.)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

and u red avatars feel hooray with '826' horribly skewed samples?(which is D +8%)

826 LV skewed samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.28 Million (real election 2016 samples)

amazing red avatars!

...you do realize that vote-by-mail numbers in both FL & NC are better for the Democrats this year than they were in 2012, right? The share of FL's mail ballots was around 50% GOP in 2012.
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« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2016, 04:53:30 PM »

40-45% of voters think that Clinton is not prepared to become president.
Who exactly are these people? For years now Republicans accused her of single-mindedly working towards that goal and now they suddenly believe she is unprepared/unqualified? What kind of mental acrobatics did they take for them to reach at that conclusion?
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« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2016, 04:55:43 PM »

40-45% of voters think that Clinton is not prepared to become president.
Who exactly are these people? For years now Republicans accused her of single-mindedly working towards that goal and now they suddenly believe she is unprepared/unqualified? What kind of mental acrobatics did they take for them to reach at that conclusion?

Hit on their wittle head? I dunno...try not to overthink it.
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« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2016, 05:05:43 PM »
« Edited: September 29, 2016, 05:09:11 PM by EpicHistory »

This is by a group called Vets Vote. Veterans' interests are not left-wing on the political spectrum. The special-interest vote is on whether to privatize4 of not privatize Veteran's benefits, a Republican call.

They clearly say on their website they're a Progressive group, the majority of their candidates they endorse are Democrats, and they've got attack ads against Trump. To claim they're a Republican group is simply false. As well, here's a bit of their history:
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Public polls, not done by advocacy groups or internals by either campaign. You can check my post history to see that.

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As I noted earlier, it's not a swing at all. NBC, YouGov, and Monmouth had her at +4 last week. Going by that, she failed to gain any momentum from the debate unless you want to start disregarding those three pollsters. It's also critical to note that, despite these being done for a Liberal group, they still barely found an edge for Clinton in NC and FL. As well, going by this poll, Trump is actually improving in Virginia compared to their last poll.
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« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2016, 04:52:24 PM »

So can we officially rename RCP (real clear politics) RTP (Republican talking points)? They did not include these polls.
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« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2016, 05:02:33 PM »

So can we officially rename RCP (real clear politics) RTP (Republican talking points)? They did not include these polls.

I still don't understand why most pundits and journalists, even left-leaning ones, use the RCP average instead of pollster.com's.
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