HB 2016-1033 - Palestinian Recognition Act (FAILED)

[NeverAgain]

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Sponsor: Clyde1998

I open this up for a 48 hour period of debate.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Like any sane person, I support a two-state solution as the only reasonable resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. With that said, I feel it would be rash to out-and-out recognize Palestinian independence before a serious peace agreement has been adopted. Without Israeli cooperation, Palestinian statehood is meaningless; real progress in this arena depends upon the success of the peace process.

I recommend that the bill be amended as follows:

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[LLR]

I won't support this bill in it's originality, but I would consider it with Truman's amendments

[Classic Conservative]

God. Palestine should be put in the ash heep of history. This bill will get zero support from me.

[NeverAgain]

I won't support this bill in it's originality, but I would consider it with Truman's amendments

[Clyde1998]

Like any sane person, I support a two-state solution as the only reasonable resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. With that said, I feel it would be rash to out-and-out recognize Palestinian independence before a serious peace agreement has been adopted. Without Israeli cooperation, Palestinian statehood is meaningless; real progress in this arena depends upon the success of the peace process.

I recommend that the bill be amended as follows:

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I'm happy to accept this amendment, although I'm slightly concerned about commitment to the security of Israel. I feel that it would be more appropriate for us to be neutral in this part of the world in order to encourage peace between Israel and Palestine, without us being on the same side as one of them.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Palestine should be put in the ash heep of history.

I don't even...

[Terry the Fat Shark]

I'd rather not get involved in this.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

At that moment I see it as best to not get involved politically in this dispute. Their is very little for Atlasia too gain from taking sides but instead we risk loosing significantly if we go against one of our allies.

[Clark Kent]

Israel is one of our closest allies, and with the current hodge-podge mixture of Israeli-Arab territories, a two-state solution is unfeasible. As such, I cannot support this bill.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Israel is one of our closest allies, and with the current hodge-podge mixture of Israeli-Arab territories, a two-state solution is unfeasible.

Out of curiosity, what would your preferred solution be? Do you support some kind of unified Israeli-Arab state, or do you think that the conflict cannot be resolved peacefully in the current climate?

[Clark Kent]

Israel is one of our closest allies, and with the current hodge-podge mixture of Israeli-Arab territories, a two-state solution is unfeasible.

Out of curiosity, what would your preferred solution be? Do you support some kind of unified Israeli-Arab state, or do you think that the conflict cannot be resolved peacefully in the current climate?

Ideally, some sort of unified state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians. I'm of the opinion that breaking up countries almost always causes more harm than good and should be reserved as a last resort (see: post-Yugoslav Balkans, India/Pakistan wrt Kashmir, etc.).

[Clyde1998]

Israel is one of our closest allies, and with the current hodge-podge mixture of Israeli-Arab territories, a two-state solution is unfeasible.

Out of curiosity, what would your preferred solution be? Do you support some kind of unified Israeli-Arab state, or do you think that the conflict cannot be resolved peacefully in the current climate?

Ideally, some sort of unified state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians. I'm of the opinion that breaking up countries almost always causes more harm than good and should be reserved as a last resort (see: post-Yugoslav Balkans, India/Pakistan wrt Kashmir, etc.).

The post-Yugoslav Balkans has been relatively stable. It was Milosevic that was the problem there; by declaring war on the constituent parts of Yugoslavia that declared independence (except Macedonia). Since he's gone, it's been stable.

I feel that the only way a unified Israeli/Palestinian state would work is to have a political structure similar to Northern Ireland. Although, I don't think it's for us to get involved in the internal political workings of other nations.

[NeverAgain]

I guess there is still stuff to discuss, I'll leave this open for another 24 hours.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

With no debate on this bill in the last 24 hours I motion for a final vote on the amended version of this bill.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

With no debate on this bill in the last 24 hours I motion for a final vote on the amended version of this bill.

I second this motion.

[Clyde1998]

With no debate on this bill in the last 24 hours I motion for a final vote on the amended version of this bill.

I second this motion.

[NeverAgain]

A 48-hour vote has been opened on the (amended version) of this bill.

Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain accordingly.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Nay

[Clyde1998]

Aye

[LLR]

Nay

[Terry the Fat Shark]

NAY

[Classic Conservative]

Nay

[Kingpoleon]

At that moment I see it as best to not get involved politically in this dispute. Their is very little for Atlasia too gain from taking sides but instead we risk loosing significantly if we go against one of our allies.

I agree, and I intend to refuse to vote on this bill accordingly.

Abstain

[NeverAgain]

(forgot to vote on this, but I meant to so Abstain!)

By a vote of 4-1 and 4 not voting, this fails.