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Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2016, 07:13:51 PM »

WI, IL, IN are safe Dem to me anyways and Dems need 1 more flip.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2016, 11:53:48 PM »

We'll see who is right in November but, remember, many of the people discounting Bayh discounted the prospects of Donnelly defeating Mourdock in 2012. If surnames weren't important anymore, Casey wouldn't walk to victory in 2012, Warner's non-campaign in 2014 would have gone down in flames etc. These things still matter...

Donnelly was going to lose until Mourdocks gaffes.

Actually, I almost cited Casey's 2012 performance in my post. It was rather unimpressive. He basically hid behind the shield of Obama's margin with a slight over-performance in NE PA and Lehigh Valley, accounting for the slightly higher percentage. He lost his support in West Central, NW and SW PA he had in 2006.

If the Casey name meant something to those "Casey Democrats", who voted for him and for Rendell in 2006, and positively adored his father, then Casey would have won them in 2012 as well. Instead it was a party line vote with a slight hometown boost in his home region. In PA, that is all you need, but any Democrat could do that in 2012 barring a really crappy candidate.

However, this is not PA we are talking about here.

It is a long time Republican state (2008 aside), that will be carried probably by double digits by Trump of all people. The Democratic nominee is viewed by most Republicans to be a crook and the Democratic Senate candidate has decades of ties to said nominee, ditched the state after casting an unpopular vote to cash in Clinton style, and has not had a serious opponent since Reagan was President.

Strickland was the Clinton shill and he will lose decisively for what he said about Scalia

He should of kept the owners on McConnell's obstruction. And he would be in the position Bayh would be in. Tossup/IN.

Being a Clinton shill is viable in Ohio, assuming you plan to coast to victory on a potential Hillary win in the state. However, that does not apply to Indiana.

Now to be sure, I expect Bayh will keep it much closer than anyone else and perhaps just in that victory has been achieved for the Democrats, diverting resources. But his name is not going to give him immunity from the political reality.

WI, IL, IN are safe Dem to me anyways and Dems need 1 more flip.

This is like saying Wisconsin was Safe Republican in 2012 once Tommy Thompson survived his primary.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2016, 12:36:55 AM »

Bayh definitely doesn't have this in the bag, and Young could win for sure, but a lot of people seem way too confident that Young will win.
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2016, 07:43:06 AM »

Are we really ignoring the cross tabs I posted?
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2016, 09:46:36 AM »

I would think that if Hillary were way ahead, Young would have the perfect issue to pound Bayh on.  "Hillary Clinton is going to be the next President.  No matter how much of a nice guy Evan Bayh is, no matter how moderate he is, the first vote he will cast after being sworn is will be for a Democratic Majority Leader.  Do you Hoosiers really want Hillary Clinton to have a blank check?"
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2016, 10:04:46 AM »

Kaine is a consensus choice as Veep and very populist like Bayh and for Dem Leader whom Kerry should of picked Gephardt.
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2016, 09:56:56 PM »

Kaine is a consensus choice as Veep and very populist like Bayh and for Dem Leader whom Kerry should of picked Gephardt.

Did you just call Evan Bayh a populist Huh
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2016, 10:06:42 AM »

Bayh definitely doesn't have this in the bag, and Young could win for sure, but a lot of people seem way too confident that Young will win.

Not really. Many people are just saying that Young could overcome the deficit and that it's a Tossup, just like certain people are saying that the FL race is still a Tossup, despite Murphy being down in basically every poll.

Both are tossups IMO.
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