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Erich Maria Remarque
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« on: September 02, 2016, 12:06:12 PM »

Basically add 5 points to Clinton in any Emerson poll an then they make sense.

Maybe more like 8
Or 12!
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2016, 12:13:56 PM »

Confirms the Hampton U poll that has it at Clinton +2.

Given the state of the polling and VA's PVI which is about Even, this is not a shocking result.

I'm terrified that I find myself agreeing with you on this.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2016, 12:14:32 PM »

At this rate, I think it makes a lot more sense to agree that things have tightened significantly than to find reasons to doubt every poll.

It may be true that this poll is questionable at best. But it's not a total fabrication. Give Clinton a few extra points and the race is still closer than it should be, and certainly too close for comfort.
You are reasonable Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2016, 12:53:35 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2016, 01:41:20 PM »

So, a poll is considered bad by Atlas if it shows a pro-GOP result and good if it shows a pro-Democrat one??
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2016, 02:29:01 PM »

To be clear: If Emerson used their exact current methodology and got a result saying Hillary was decently leading, I would still say this is a junk poll.
I believe you, folks!
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2016, 06:18:02 PM »

44% Clinton (D)
43% Trump (R)
11% Johnson (L)
3% Green (G)

Link.

Looks like Emerson has been busy lately, lol.

Busier than everyone else? Busier than everyone else combined, except for some advocacy-group polling by PPP? Something could be fishy here.

Quinnipiac and Marist at most poll three states at a time, and then they rotate among the states in question.  But Emerson College is polling every imaginable swing state?  This looks about as kosher as a ham-and-cheese sandwich with clam sauce on the side, with wine made with libations to Bacchus. 
Please, shoot me...
Everyone likes conspiracy theories!!!!111
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2016, 06:42:01 PM »

At this rate, I think it makes a lot more sense to agree that things have tightened significantly than to find reasons to doubt every poll.

It may be true that this poll is questionable at best. But it's not a total fabrication. Give Clinton a few extra points and the race is still closer than it should be, and certainly too close for comfort.
This.
Really, please stop to find every possible justification. The race is tightening. Clinton is still ahead, but it's more close that one month ago.

The race has tightened a bit, however bad landline only polls with terrible methodology are still bad landline only polls with terrible methodology.
They are B pollster with R house effect [according to 538], what's a problem?
They were not terrbile before [according to 538], so they probably are not terrible now.
And their results are consistent with nationall polls (after house effect adjustment).

So yeah, what's your problem?
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2016, 07:11:26 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2016, 07:34:07 PM »

One more time. Those polls are pretty much consistent with polls coming from A pollsters like Fox, Mounmouth, IBD, ABC, Franklin and Marshall College and many others. The race HAVE tightened considerably. But Emerson has 2-4% house effect and were conducted in the middle of Emails/Foundation scandals.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 09:02:44 PM »

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garbage in, garbage out
Yeah.Why just not trust the pollster that "has been cited as the most accurate in the past three presidential elections.". IBD/TIPP shows tie Smiley
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