2024: After two terms of Trump

[Person Man]

Nationalism/Trumpism probably replaces Conservatism and to a less extent, Neoconservatism as the GOP establishment. The question then becomes what happens with the Democratic establishment? If Hillary loses because her campaign collapsed, was it because Hillary wasn't liberal enough, or was it because she just didn't have the skills (or was actually corrupt).

[Person Man]

Nationalism/Trumpism probably replaces Conservatism and to a less extent, Neoconservatism as the GOP establishment.The question then becomes what happens with the Democratic establishment? If Hillary loses because her campaign collapsed, was it because Hillary wasn't liberal enough, or was it because she just didn't have the skills (or was actually corrupt).

This will never, ever happen.

Even if it proves successful? I'd imagine if Trump isn't completely successful (he loses or loses congress)  that old Establishment will probably burrow back into the helm.  That's kind of what happen with W. Are there those that argued that had Iraq gone better, that someone like Rubio or Jeb would have gotten the nomination even if Obama won twice?

[Person Man]

To answer the main question, 2 terms of Trump would lead to a very quick realignment.  If the 2020 and 24 Dem nominees are from the Sanders wing of the party, the Libertarians could run very strong, but I think it's more likely that the Dems reach out to libertarian types when they are down and out during 2017-18 and Trump reaches out to Sanders types during his 1st term.  Dems might get the House in 2018, but probably not until 2022, when they should also flip the Senate.  The major issues of the day would depend heavily on who Trump appointed to SCOTUS and whether Ginsburg, Breyer and Kennedy made it to 2023.  It's possible that gay rights and abortion completely fade away as issues.  Trump winning twice means massive GOP gains with secular whites.  Mormons might be swing voters by then.  Evangelicals should move at least somewhat to the center.

Gwen Graham (FL-GOV)*/Hector Balderas (NM-GOV)** 50.2% 315ish EV
Joni Ernst (IA-SEN)/Dean Lorenzo (RI-GOV)*** 45.7% 223ish EV
Evan McMullin (UT-GOV)****/Bill Walker(Fmr. AK-GOV) 4.1% 0 EV

*Elected in 2018, reelected in 2022
**Elected in 2018, reelected in 2022, 2nd place finisher in Dem presidential primary
***Elected in 2022, fictional person
****Elected in 2020 as a Republican, left party in 2022

Don't know about that but the cultural center of GOP will change from Fundamentalism to Nationalism and maybe allow Republicans to lock up the Great Lakes Region outside of Chicago but more cosmopolitan parts of the L will vecome increasingly competitive.

[Person Man]

I don't think we can assume that there will be any more elections after the election of Trump. Trump might just declare himself King, restructure SCOTUS so it is 9-0 Trump supporters, and declare Congress dissolved. Then he orders the military to capture or kill any secret service officers, congressional leaders, etc. who attempt to ignore him.

You believe this and yet you're refusing to vote for the only person who could stop it from happening because she was sneaky with her emails?!

He doesn't believe that.

He supports her now. Trump is probably ahead slightly by now.

The questions are-
How does Trump do down ballot here on out?
Does he get reelected?
Does he shift anything around that much?
How do Democrats change who they get votes from?
Is Trumpism here to stay?