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« on: July 29, 2016, 08:56:40 pm »
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... In all states minus two -- New York and California.

In New York, Obama got 4,485,877; and in California, he got 7,854,285. Subtract those votes from Obama's popular vote total, and he has 53,575,634

Romney in NY got 2,490,496; and in California, he got 4,839,958. Subtract those numbers from his popular vote total, and you have 53,603,046.

Just shows how close this election really was, despite Obama's apparently solid 4% margin of victory in the popular vote.
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016, 09:08:35 pm »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 04:27:47 am »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

I agree 100%.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 07:36:03 am »

And if no Democratic voters showed up, Romney would've had 100% of the vote!
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 08:57:26 am »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

Yep, it's like when Iowa people say "if you take out the Chicago area, Illinois is just Iowa!" (which BTW isn't true, as Downstate has a significantly larger population, the STL suburbs, more geological diversity down south, etc.) ... uh, okay??  What does that matter?!  Chicago is a part of Illinois, and it affects everything in the rest of the state.

I hate that sort of logic.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2016, 10:58:54 am »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

Yep, it's like when Iowa people say "if you take out the Chicago area, Illinois is just Iowa!" (which BTW isn't true, as Downstate has a significantly larger population, the STL suburbs, more geological diversity down south, etc.) ... uh, okay??  What does that matter?!  Chicago is a part of Illinois, and it affects everything in the rest of the state.

I hate that sort of logic.

It's like how one poster here would talk about how the rural areas of Kentucky were preventing the state from being (Atlas) red.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2016, 12:38:07 pm »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

Yep, it's like when Iowa people say "if you take out the Chicago area, Illinois is just Iowa!" (which BTW isn't true, as Downstate has a significantly larger population, the STL suburbs, more geological diversity down south, etc.) ... uh, okay??  What does that matter?!  Chicago is a part of Illinois, and it affects everything in the rest of the state.

I hate that sort of logic.

It's like how one poster here would talk about how the rural areas of Kentucky were preventing the state from being (Atlas) red.

Even though the KY suburbs all vote Republican, and there are still a few Democratic rural areas, LOL.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2016, 02:06:41 pm »

because we all know the east and west coast don't count
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 02:55:48 pm »

If you double the number of votes that Mitt Romney received, then he actually won the popular vote 64%-35%!  This just shows how close to a landslide he could have been.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 03:05:21 pm »

This is how in 1972 George McGovern actually won the popular (as well as electoral) vote:



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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2016, 03:22:33 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2016, 04:24:38 pm »

This is how in 1972 George McGovern actually won the popular (as well as electoral) vote:
And this is how in 1984 Walter Mondale won the popular (but losing the electoral) vote:
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2016, 05:30:44 pm »

This is like Bandit saying Kentucky should have been blue because the few cities that vote Democratic matter more than rural areas.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2016, 05:37:24 pm »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)
Well Texas has more people  than New York. Georgia ranks in the Top 10 in terms of states by population.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2016, 08:32:21 pm »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)
Well Texas has more people  than New York. Georgia ranks in the Top 10 in terms of states by population.

True, but my point is that of course if you "take out" Democratic states/districts, you're left with a more Republican-friendly result. The opposite is also true.
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2016, 01:45:54 am »

And if no Democratic voters showed up, Romney would've had 100% of the vote!
Republicans and Independents for Obama existed in 2012, no? Wink
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2016, 02:00:25 am »

And if no Democratic voters showed up, Romney would've had 100% of the vote!

makes u think
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2016, 10:31:03 am »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

Except there is a big difference between 2 states and 4 states. Regardless of population size, New York and California are still just two states with one governor, one House, one Senate,  one electorate, one environment, etc.  If you can't acknowledge the distinctness of states, then you can't acknowledge one of the tenets of this country, as the Founding Fathers emphasized separation of states.

That just 2 states cost Romney the popular vote shows that his loss was actually narrower than the final numbers indicate.
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2016, 10:35:07 am »

This is how in 1972 George McGovern actually won the popular (as well as electoral) vote:
And this is how in 1984 Walter Mondale won the popular (but losing the electoral) vote:


You're comparing two states with 48 states. Use common sense to find the error in that comparison.

And if no Democratic voters showed up, Romney would've had 100% of the vote!

You're comparing the Democratic votes in all 50 states with the Democratic and Republican votes in two states. Use common sense to find the error in that comparison.

If you double the number of votes that Mitt Romney received, then he actually won the popular vote 64%-35%!  This just shows how close to a landslide he could have been.

Arbitrarily adding non-existent votes is not the same as hypothetically counting all of the actual votes outside of two states. The former is totally conjectural; the latter is purely an analysis of statistics.
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2016, 11:54:57 am »

That just 2 states cost Romney the popular vote shows that his loss was actually narrower than the final numbers indicate.

Again, you can't just take out states your opponent won and then make claims. But if we are doing that, then if you take out Texas, then Romney is back down over a million votes.

I get what you're saying, but you're marginalizing states just because it only takes 2 of them to significantly beef up Obama's support. I don't know if you see it, but your argument is pretty insulting to the people of CA and NY, as if their votes are less important or something. Just because so many people are packed into those 2 states does not make them lesser. I mean really, do we want to start talking about Romney's inflated EV numbers from rural states? This argument could go on and on if we just start adding random parameters we think benefit our side.
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2016, 02:16:09 pm »

Use common sense to find the error

No, sir, you go first.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2016, 02:18:46 pm »

Taking away those two states is taking away about 15% of the electorate, or nearly 19 million votes. Obama would have won in a nearly landslide margin (around his '08 margin) if you take away Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Indiana (roughly 18 million votes.)

Except there is a big difference between 2 states and 4 states. Regardless of population size, New York and California are still just two states with one governor, one House, one Senate,  one electorate, one environment, etc.  If you can't acknowledge the distinctness of states, then you can't acknowledge one of the tenets of this country, as the Founding Fathers emphasized separation of states.

That just 2 states cost Romney the popular vote shows that his loss was actually narrower than the final numbers indicate.

Stop. Just stop. the idiocy in your post in just embarrassing yourself. Badly.

"Take away a lot of Obama voters, and the electio n was practically tied!! Shocked"
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 03:13:54 pm »

What else do you expect from the Looney Left Coast and the state that embraces New York Values?
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2016, 07:34:58 am »

And if California and New York went Republican, Romney would've won the electoral college with 290 votes.  A difference of just two states!  Talk about close!
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2016, 09:24:00 am »

On the other hand, I'd argue the fact that even if Romney had by some miracle won California and its 55 electoral votes (maybe LA and SF both get hit by major earthquakes on Election Day or something) he still would've lost the election shows that it wasn't that close.
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