Do you support or oppose the legalization of prostitution?
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« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2016, 02:58:16 PM »

Support. Most of modern American heterosexual dating culture is glorified prostitution with a stifling Puritan/Victorian veneer anyways.

This man (doesn't)

Are you saying this from experience?  I mean the profit motive in American dating is pretty prevalent.  I don't know the percentage because I haven't dated thousands of women but I've seen several ugly attempts to do the whole money for sex thing.  One even involved a man demanding remuneration from a woman.  Call me sexist but I found that particularly appalling and devoid of honor.

This article is great.  Comment section is even better.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/will-i-inherit-everything-from-my-husband-without-a-will-2016-06-24

I've never utilized the services of prostitutes for a whole host of reasons but I at least admire their honesty.

I support legalization.  "With conditions" is kind of dumb.  Nothing is legal without conditions.  You can't sell chewing gum without adhering to "conditions."

I know quite a bit about legalized prostitution in Hong Kong and Singapore from my time living in the region. Prostitution is much more prevalent in that part of the world than in the West. There are certainly advantages to legalization, but a major problem is that even countries with legal prostitution still have illegal prostitution industries that are actually bigger than the legal industries. For example, only permanent residents of HK and Singapore can be legal prostitutes in their respective countries, but they are expensive and come in limited... "varieties", so both countries have massive semi-underground industries of prostitutes from mainland China, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, Thailand, and other countries. The vast majority of these girls are 18+, but they still do not fall within the bounds of the regulated prostitution industry because they are legally foreign students or tourists. You will never be able to overcome this problem without granting work permits for foreign prostitutes, which is just a terrible idea.

So basically prostitution isn't legal in HK.  I mean if you constrain it so much that there aren't any legal prostitutes that basically means it is illegal.  It's like the Mississippi abortion law.  If the law is so restrictive it shuts down the last abortion clinic in the state then abortion for all intents and purposes is banned.

The defacto situation in the US is that it's legal and safe for wealthy, smart, internet-savvy people (both prostitutes and johns alike), and illegal and risky for all others. I tend to support this dynamic with the following goals designed for demand reduction:

1) Schools should facilitate the development of good workout habits and form as a teenager. How many people lifting consistently since age 15 end up resorting to hookers to get laid? Probably zero.
2) Development of social skills. Society tends to encourage the enhancement of GABA neurotransmitters in order to gain the courage to talk to people you're sexually attracted to. This is a mediocre approach because enhancing GABA has horrible rebound/side effects and may not necessarily accomplish what you want to accomplish (social efficacy). You're much better off making your serotonin neurons release large amounts of serotonin, and catalyzing what you learn/feel into normal brain-chemistry state. But that being said, the more in-shape, socially functional straight men we have, the less demand there will be for prostituition.

Lol.  Plenty of guys that look like hell and have even worse personalities get laid in America.  See Derpist's post.  I'm sure Gérard Depardieu has bedded down more models and actresses than you ever will.

If pornography is legal, I find it hard to justify criminalizing prostitution.

Prostitution has far more health risks.

That said, option 2.

Pornography is produced by paying people to have sex. I don't see how the health risk is greater if the the commercial aspect is driven by private sexual gratification alone rather than the production of art for the sake of private sexual gratification.

Prostitution definitely poses a bigger public health risk than porn production.  Even a slight glance at epidemiological data will tell you that.  All the participants in the legal porn industry are under heavy surveillance regimens and if there is a problem all production is shut down until the epidemiological work is done to find the source and contain it.  Also the number of participants is very finite.

I'm for legalizing prostitution but let's not kid ourselves.
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« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2016, 03:03:26 PM »

So basically prostitution isn't legal in HK.  I mean if you constrain it so much that there aren't any legal prostitutes that basically means it is illegal.  It's like the Mississippi abortion law.  If the law is so restrictive it shuts down the last abortion clinic in the state then abortion for all intents and purposes is banned.
It is legal, but pimping is illegal and prostitutes must be permanent residents. If prostitution was legalized in the US, I'm sure at least the latter would be adopted as a restriction, because a) it would be considered work, and b) to avoid encouraging human trafficking. Unfortunately, any liberalization of prostitution laws ultimately leads to more illegal prostitution and possibly human trafficking.
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« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2016, 03:12:55 PM »

So basically prostitution isn't legal in HK.  I mean if you constrain it so much that there aren't any legal prostitutes that basically means it is illegal.  It's like the Mississippi abortion law.  If the law is so restrictive it shuts down the last abortion clinic in the state then abortion for all intents and purposes is banned.
It is legal, but pimping is illegal and prostitutes must be permanent residents. If prostitution was legalized in the US, I'm sure at least the latter would be adopted as a restriction, because a) it would be considered work, and b) to avoid encouraging human trafficking. Unfortunately, any liberalization of prostitution laws ultimately leads to more illegal prostitution and possibly human trafficking.

I hear what you are saying.  In that profession you will never have a perfect situation.  But if the laws are too restrictive as seems the case in HK there will be an illegal underground industry.

It would be nice to at least clean up some of the industry and provide health services.  It would also be nice not to ruin people's lives.  If a woman works as a prostitute for a couple of years in her teens she shouldn't have a permanent criminal record.  I don't see any point in that.
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« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2016, 02:19:35 AM »

Either support all the way or support with conditions. However, since it involves one's body, it should one one's choice if it is completely voluntary.
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« Reply #79 on: July 19, 2016, 12:48:14 AM »

It could be legal as long as it's done through licensed brothels and not like people think of it when they're approached on the street.  The latter is solicitation and therefore illegal anyways. 
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