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pbrower2a
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« on: July 15, 2016, 10:17:20 AM »
« edited: July 15, 2016, 10:39:59 AM by pbrower2a »

The Q does not push voters. It would rather get low figures for both nominees than get something above 45 for either at this stage.

But even with Q polls, Donald Trump still ends up with a maximum of 40-42% in swing states. That is close to his ceiling.

Just look at one pattern: non-college white voters apparently go about 68-20 for Donald Trump. That is strong. But college-educated whites split about 50-50; Asians, Latinos, and blacks all go strongly against Donald Trump.

Question: if you are a Republican, would you rather have a 68-20 lead among under-educated white people or among educated white people? Even if it is a smaller demographic, I'd rather have the educated whites. Educated white people can convince under-educated white people and can assuage concerns of minorities. Under-educated white people can convince only each other. They don't get much respect from ethnic or racial minorities.  If anything, educated white voters might be able to make cogent reasons for not voting for Donald Trump -- and convince erstwhile Trump supporters that he will disappoint them.* Donald Trump, by doing so badly among educated white people by the standard of any Republican since Goldwater, practically ensures that such support as he now gets is all that he gets.  

*My line?   Some of the first decisions by Donald Trump will be which promises must he must break.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2016, 07:45:17 PM »



Question: if you are a Republican, would you rather have a 68-20 lead among under-educated white people or among educated white people? Even if it is a smaller demographic, I'd rather have the educated whites. Educated white people can convince under-educated white people and can assuage concerns of minorities. Under-educated white people can convince only each other. They don't get much respect from ethnic or racial minorities.  If anything, educated white voters might be able to make cogent reasons for not voting for Donald Trump -- and convince erstwhile Trump supporters that he will disappoint them.* Donald Trump, by doing so badly among educated white people by the standard of any Republican since Goldwater, practically ensures that such support as he now gets is all that he gets.  

*My line?   Some of the first decisions by Donald Trump will be which promises must he must break.

Gee, you must be a very educated man.

I know how well-educated people behave and how strong their verbal skills are. Well-educated people might convince others; ill-educated people generally don't unless of personal experience. That's why the dumb retail clerks sell stuff that needs little explaining and the smart ones end up selling big-ticket items. 

Remember All in the Family? Archie Bunker tried to discuss complicated realities and made a fool of himself while trying to do so. It was good for laughs even if Archie (Carroll O'Connor) was playing it as straight as he could. The show would not have worked had such not been the usual experience of people of the time.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 10:50:23 AM »



Question: if you are a Republican, would you rather have a 68-20 lead among under-educated white people or among educated white people? Even if it is a smaller demographic, I'd rather have the educated whites. Educated white people can convince under-educated white people and can assuage concerns of minorities. Under-educated white people can convince only each other. They don't get much respect from ethnic or racial minorities.  If anything, educated white voters might be able to make cogent reasons for not voting for Donald Trump -- and convince erstwhile Trump supporters that he will disappoint them.* Donald Trump, by doing so badly among educated white people by the standard of any Republican since Goldwater, practically ensures that such support as he now gets is all that he gets.  

*My line?   Some of the first decisions by Donald Trump will be which promises must he must break.

Gee, you must be a very educated man.

I know how well-educated people behave and how strong their verbal skills are. Well-educated people might convince others; ill-educated people generally don't unless of personal experience. That's why the dumb retail clerks sell stuff that needs little explaining and the smart ones end up selling big-ticket items. 

Remember All in the Family? Archie Bunker tried to discuss complicated realities and made a fool of himself while trying to do so. It was good for laughs even if Archie (Carroll O'Connor) was playing it as straight as he could. The show would not have worked had such not been the usual experience of people of the time.

Ok, I understand your point. But it should be the job of politicians to connect with that part of the electorate. I think it's dangerous to look down upon the 'low educated' part of the country. I personally always try to understand their worries and try to not judge them.

Right-wing American politicians exploit the ignorance, superstition, and intellectual shallowness of under-educated white people, using them to vote their resentments about being left out of the "American Dream" or whatever is left of it.

There's little wrong with any traditionally-oppressed group of Americans that more economic opportunity (usually connected to educational achievement) can't solve. Yes, blacks and Hispanics have been oppressed. Guess what? So have been poor white people! Middle-class blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are not oppressed. At least not now, even if they have memories of oppression.

It's the ignorance, superstition, and intellectual shallowness that must go before any oppressed people gets a chance. That political elites foster ignorance, superstition, and intellectual shallowness for questionable ends (the enrichment and pampering of elites) is itself unconscionable. 
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