AP: A lot of holes in GOP presidential ground game in key states
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« on: July 11, 2016, 04:59:54 PM »

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e089a9baea5444aebfcde633b03624ed/gop-delivers-fraction-expected-ground-force-key-states

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Republicans are still far behind Democrats in their ground game due to a severe lack of funding they expected months ago from a candidate who actually cares about their party.

Now, by the numbers, Republicans are actually decently far ahead of where they were in 2012, but that doesn't mean much if Democrats are way farther ahead than even that. If your opponent escalates, you have to escalate too, and if you don't, the disadvantage widens.

Curious if they can fix this in time, or even fix it at all. Also, what happens if the RNC decides to cut their losses and diverts all resources to shoring up Congressional / Senate races?

I almost feel sympathy for Republicans. Trump is ruining them
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 05:05:10 PM »

Trump's campaign essentially comprised of him tweeting all day for most of the time before the primaries, while other candidates (namely Clinton) were getting organized. I've long thought this would come back to bite him in the butt if lightning struck (it did) and he got the nomination.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 05:17:08 PM »

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Why would Priebus think that the American people would believe his statement, when we didn't swallow trump's "thousands and thousands" Muslims-celebrating-in-New Jersey-after-911 bull.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 05:28:04 PM »
« Edited: July 11, 2016, 05:31:18 PM by Virginia »

The GOP has no ground game - this isn't really news.

I just wanted to post this as an elaboration of what we already know (or could safely assume). Personally, a vague "they have no ground game" statement doesn't really cut it for me. I'd like to know the specifics of their deficiencies on the ground. I'd assume at least a handful of others share a similar interest.


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Why would Priebus think that the American people would believe his statement, when we didn't swallow trump's "thousands and thousands" Muslims-celebrating-in-New Jersey-after-911 bull.

He has to say something

In all fairness to Mr. Priebus, his plans might have actually worked out if they had a candidate who wasn't such a terrible joke in virtually every respect.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 05:41:22 PM »
« Edited: July 11, 2016, 05:43:09 PM by Virginia »

I mean, if ground game and ad campaigns were the only factors deciding this election, Clinton would be up 15 points in every swing state.

Would it be fair to say that without complete dominance over the air, she might actually be trailing in the polls more often? (Just a random, unsubstantiated thought)

Anyways, voter registration and turnout efforts by each campaign's ground operation won't really yield polling advantages right now. Mostly agree on the ads, though I wasn't saying ground game/ads are the only factors. Was just commenting on the stunning lack of game the RNC has, in comparison to Democrats.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2016, 12:01:34 AM »

I have some personal insight on this. I went to GOP training sessions in Columbus almost a year ago where it was discussed in no uncertain terms that the Democrats had licked Republicans in field organization and social media use (i.e. having a FB page and Twitter account ain't enough). The RNC was committing significant resources to change that and replicate what the Obama campaign's model. I'm familiar with that model, and they actually had a serious idea how to do it right. My wife and I campaigned hard in the last few months so that she could get hired as a full-time field organizer for the party in our section of the county.

Our "boss" wants her hired badly (knowing it'll be a "two-fer" between us if he does Grin) and she got a rave recommendation from our county Chairman. It was initially expected they might be able to hire her straight away around May. Then July 1 was the set date. Now, to our boss's chagrin, he doesn't know when. Maybe soon after the convention, maybe not. The promised money has just frozen. We've had to tell him our volunteering many hours for free has to be put on hold while we work our butts off launching my private practice.

The impression I get is the RNC was expecting integration and support from the presidential campaign, and jack all has been actually provided.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2016, 12:13:17 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2016, 02:27:17 AM »

I feel like if the RNC were so colossally behind in their ground game, Clinton should be up by more than 5 points or so. Maybe this will manifest itself after the conventions or Labor Day, or maybe they'll just get their act together by the time people start paying attention.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 02:31:42 AM »

I feel like if the RNC were so colossally behind in their ground game, Clinton should be up by more than 5 points or so. Maybe this will manifest itself after the conventions or Labor Day, or maybe they'll just get their act together by the time people start paying attention.
Ground game does not manifest itself in polls but rather in election day results.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 04:09:36 AM »

I feel like if the RNC were so colossally behind in their ground game, Clinton should be up by more than 5 points or so. Maybe this will manifest itself after the conventions or Labor Day, or maybe they'll just get their act together by the time people start paying attention.
Ground game does not manifest itself in polls but rather in election day results.

This.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 07:42:04 AM »

The GOP has no ground game - this isn't really news.

I just wanted to post this as an elaboration of what we already know (or could safely assume). Personally, a vague "they have no ground game" statement doesn't really cut it for me. I'd like to know the specifics of their deficiencies on the ground. I'd assume at least a handful of others share a similar interest.

I enjoyed the article.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/rnc-staff-state-republicans-223642

There's a similar story every few weeks. This new one didn't have as much detail as the older ones (nothing about Democrats investing / Republicans defending Arizona/North carolina).
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 01:29:28 PM »


While reading this thread I'm thinking that anyone who votes GOP this time around, what you see is what you're going to get. Meaning, a Republican administration under Trump would be just as disorganized and UN-unified as it is now during the campaign. Is that what you want?

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