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« on: June 19, 2005, 06:06:08 AM »

Suppose the anti-Lincoln vote unites in 1860.

Lincoln takes 39.82% of popular, 173 EV
ABL takes 60.18% of popular, 130 EV

Despite a popular vote landslide, it's not even close in the electoral result.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2005, 07:47:28 AM »

But if the anti lincoln vote were coordinated, it could have had more impact on people that ended up voting republican.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 06:36:36 PM »

Anti-Lincoln / Pro- Sanity (Electoral College)
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2005, 11:21:10 AM »

Suppose the anti-Lincoln vote unites in 1860.

Lincoln takes 39.82% of popular, 173 EV
ABL takes 60.18% of popular, 130 EV

Despite a popular vote landslide, it's not even close in the electoral result.



Interesting. Can you give us a map of those scenarios? ;-)
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:49 AM »

And what did the Contit. Unionists candidates stand for?
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:24 AM »


50%+ states had more than half the total EV.

The Constitutional Union party's platform was, and this is the whole platform "To preserve the Constitution as it is and the Union as it is".
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2005, 12:16:38 PM »

So were the CU party voters leaning towards Lincoln? Or were they hoping to preserve the union by shelving Lincoln-esque policies?
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2005, 01:03:10 PM »

So were the CU party voters leaning towards Lincoln? Or were they hoping to preserve the union by shelving Lincoln-esque policies?

Their nominee was John Bell of Tennessee  and I have no idea if the votes he received would have gone to Lincoln if he were not in the race. They might have been disaffected Whigs whose party had already died and had not yet found a political home.

In the future Confederate states, the race was between Breckenridge and Bell. Southerners despised Douglas, and Lincoln, of course, did not have ballots to cast.

If Bell hadn't run, all of his Unionist votes would have gone to Breckenridge, if only because he was a Southerner and Douglas wasn't.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:01 PM »

Constitutional Union did hold the remains of the old Whig Party (which also explains why Bell did so well in Ky and Tn, but not Ar).
But Bell also got many "anybody but Breckinridge" votes from moderate Southerners. It's by no means obvious who they would have voted for if there was no "moderate" option, although if forced to guess, I'd guess Douglas would have gotten the largest share of this vote.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2005, 02:44:54 PM »

Suppose the anti-Lincoln vote unites in 1860.

Lincoln takes 39.82% of popular, 173 EV
ABL takes 60.18% of popular, 130 EV

Despite a popular vote landslide, it's not even close in the electoral result.
There were ABL fusion slates in New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2005, 08:31:06 PM »

Anti-Lincoln / Pro- Sanity (Electoral College)

yeah, I'll take the anti-fascism candidate any day (unless the opponent is socialist or communist, then I just won't vote)
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