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« on: July 08, 2016, 01:21:46 PM »

So some of the deeply sensitive so called "classified" emails on Clinton's server weren't even really classified?

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Clearly anyone that let's information like that fall into enemy hands should be disqualified from being president.  Trump is a much better and saner choice.

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2016, 01:32:44 PM »

Trump is a much better and saner choice.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2016, 01:38:31 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2016, 04:56:35 PM by eeveergreen »

T***p is a much better and saner choice.

there are literally no circumstances under which this statement is true
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2016, 01:40:00 PM »

Yes, the State Department has already disputed Comey's statement about classified e-mails in Clinton's server. Apparently the House Republicans and the "librul" media missed that memo.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2016, 03:48:43 PM »

Trump is a much better and saner choice.

I think there's some nuance to be had here.  There are several different takes on the email thing:

1. Bernie Sanders should have been the nominee, and this confirms it! Well, you thought that all along, and you're gonna come around and vote Hillary anyway, especially after Bernie endorses her.

2. Clinton's a lying crook and I'll do anything to stop her! You're either a Trump hack or a Republican hack, and you're never voting for her anyway.

3. There's no scandal, please stop beating this dead horse. Not a whole lot of independents and Republicans in this camp.  I won't call you a Hillary/Democratic hack, but it's wishful thinking.

4. Clinton's behavior is irresponsible, and while the GOP is going around manufacturing scandals, the Democrats persist on acting like there's no problem when clearly there is. This is where I stand.  Yeah, I'm going to vote for Clinton because voting Trump is insane and idiotic and in what reality would you want this man in charge of our county? At the same time, I'm extremely disappointed in the Democrats for pushing Hillary on us, forcing us to make this choice.  It's not that I'm in love with Bernie Sanders - a 74-year-old leftist activist is not my idea of a good President - but Hillary is a terrible, terrible candidate.  I'm annoyed at being forced to vote for her.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2016, 03:50:24 PM »

I'm confidently predicting the House Republicans will continue their "investigation" until 2040.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2016, 04:47:01 PM »

Beef, can you stop being such an insufrable little troll.  It gets annoying seeing your "contributions" in threads.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2016, 05:12:01 PM »

Trump is a much better and saner choice.

I think there's some nuance to be had here.  There are several different takes on the email thing:

1. Bernie Sanders should have been the nominee, and this confirms it! Well, you thought that all along, and you're gonna come around and vote Hillary anyway, especially after Bernie endorses her.

2. Clinton's a lying crook and I'll do anything to stop her! You're either a Trump hack or a Republican hack, and you're never voting for her anyway.

3. There's no scandal, please stop beating this dead horse. Not a whole lot of independents and Republicans in this camp.  I won't call you a Hillary/Democratic hack, but it's wishful thinking.

4. Clinton's behavior is irresponsible, and while the GOP is going around manufacturing scandals, the Democrats persist on acting like there's no problem when clearly there is. This is where I stand.  Yeah, I'm going to vote for Clinton because voting Trump is insane and idiotic and in what reality would you want this man in charge of our county? At the same time, I'm extremely disappointed in the Democrats for pushing Hillary on us, forcing us to make this choice.  It's not that I'm in love with Bernie Sanders - a 74-year-old leftist activist is not my idea of a good President - but Hillary is a terrible, terrible candidate.  I'm annoyed at being forced to vote for her.

I'm sorry that Hillary can't be all things to all people like you seem to be wishing for. And she can't be the way everyone wants her to be. I always hear, Hillary should do this, Hillary should do that, she shouldn't nod her head at the podium, she shouldn't "cackle", she shouldn't be so serious, she should smile more, she should be more open, she should be more entertaining....but damn!

Hillary needs to continue being herself, just like Trump is himself. No apologies from either of them.

Nobody can please everyone and it's not worth trying. Hillary is old enough and smart enough to know that.

Welcome to the real world.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2016, 05:16:45 PM »


And from all that I've read on the subject, different departments having differing opinions on how information should be classified, or if it should be, or if redacted information should count for being classified information, and on and on.

Add to it all the human error factor, the fact that even Colon Powell said it was a skewed system and hard to deal with, and you have a playing field that is not so black and white as some GOP members and disillusioned public would like to think it is.

Why don't we focus on the service that Hillary has given to our country and all the good things she's done. If you can't think of any then go do some research.

This latest episode of Hillary-bashing is getting very old.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2016, 05:41:59 PM »

Trump is a much better and saner choice.

there are literally no circumstances under which this statement is true

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2016, 06:03:54 PM »

Did Schadenfreude just write a sentence that makes sense? I can't tell. This is almost as conflicting as that time Ralph Nader disagreed with South Park!
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2016, 07:43:28 PM »

Trump is a much better and saner choice.

I think there's some nuance to be had here.  There are several different takes on the email thing:

1. Bernie Sanders should have been the nominee, and this confirms it! Well, you thought that all along, and you're gonna come around and vote Hillary anyway, especially after Bernie endorses her.

2. Clinton's a lying crook and I'll do anything to stop her! You're either a Trump hack or a Republican hack, and you're never voting for her anyway.

3. There's no scandal, please stop beating this dead horse. Not a whole lot of independents and Republicans in this camp.  I won't call you a Hillary/Democratic hack, but it's wishful thinking.

4. Clinton's behavior is irresponsible, and while the GOP is going around manufacturing scandals, the Democrats persist on acting like there's no problem when clearly there is. This is where I stand.  Yeah, I'm going to vote for Clinton because voting Trump is insane and idiotic and in what reality would you want this man in charge of our county? At the same time, I'm extremely disappointed in the Democrats for pushing Hillary on us, forcing us to make this choice.  It's not that I'm in love with Bernie Sanders - a 74-year-old leftist activist is not my idea of a good President - but Hillary is a terrible, terrible candidate.  I'm annoyed at being forced to vote for her.

1. Perhaps, but there's something to be said for not having a candidate start off being given a bunch of superdelegate votes prior to any primary/caucus results being posted. Bernie supporters should support the candidate that best aligns with their views.

2. Recognition of Clinton being a lying crook is not limited to Trump supporters or Republican hacks; many independents share this view of her.

3. Those in denial of Clinton having done anything wrong? We should call them Hillary hacks.

4. Clinton's behavior is irresponsible, and the Democrats persist on acting like there's no problem when clearly there is. This is my position. However, unlike Beef, I would encourage anyone not living in a contested state to vote third party, and those living within contested states to think long and hard before casting a vote for Hillary Clinton. I realize that both major party candidates have serious issues, but Clinton seems to believe that her desires supercede our laws and national security concerns. To me, this fact alone is enough to disqualify her from presidential consideration.

That's my take on the nuance of the "email thing".
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016, 01:36:47 PM »

Beef, can you stop being such an insufrable little troll.  It gets annoying seeing your "contributions" in threads.

No.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 02:38:08 PM »

I'm sorry that Hillary can't be all things to all people like you seem to be wishing for. And she can't be the way everyone wants her to be. I always hear, Hillary should do this, Hillary should do that, she shouldn't nod her head at the podium, she shouldn't "cackle", she shouldn't be so serious, she should smile more, she should be more open, she should be more entertaining....but damn!

It is absolutely the case the Hillary Clinton has endured a lot of criticism on her demeanor and appearance that is deeply rooted misogyny. No male candidate would have to endure these sorts of attacks.  It angers me, as it should anger anyone, regardless of personal ideology.

That said, the persecution complex is strong with diehard Hillary supporters.  I'm sorry if I don't wish the nation's first woman president to be the continuation of a political dynasty, someone deeply entrenched in the Washington power machine, and someone who has compromised progressive principles while participating, even passively, in the slow corruption of our democracy. I do not see someone who will fight against the continued rigging of our political system, because she has benefited from it. Her belief that she was above the rules, and the indignation that anyone would dare challenge her on it, is indicative of her level of entitlement.

I'm voting for her.  I'll vote for her ten times out of ten, even in my "irrelevant" state of Indiana.  Republicans do not represent mainstream American values, and until they do, I will not allow the hateful "moral" minority that controls them to turn back the clock on social change. I do, in fact, live in the real world. But it's still sad that this is the best the Democrats have to offer, and that they were determined that she should get the nomination from the very beginning.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2016, 06:33:38 PM »

Even Hillary is not trying to use this kind of grasping excuse. "So what if there were classified emails where she said there weren't any? Those emails shouldn't have been classified, anyway!"

Attempts to dismiss the issue of Hillary's emails as some Republican witch hunt will invariably fail. It's not a position you're going to find support for, either on the "liberal mainstream media" like the Washington Post or the New York Times, or on "new media" online and from the likes of the Daily Show or Stephen Colbert.

Hillary was in the wrong, plain and simple. You don't need an indictment to know that. Only a hack would argue otherwise.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2016, 10:50:59 PM »

Even Hillary is not trying to use this kind of grasping excuse. "So what if there were classified emails where she said there weren't any? Those emails shouldn't have been classified, anyway!"

Attempts to dismiss the issue of Hillary's emails as some Republican witch hunt will invariably fail. It's not a position you're going to find support for, either on the "liberal mainstream media" like the Washington Post or the New York Times, or on "new media" online and from the likes of the Daily Show or Stephen Colbert.

Hillary was in the wrong, plain and simple. You don't need an indictment to know that. Only a hack would argue otherwise.

Don't forget about the 300 other people involved in this email drama who were sending emails to Hillary on her private server. None of them questioned the set-up she had? None of them? And all of them continued sending their emails to her that way?

See, something smells fishy here when so many top, high-level officials didn't seem bothered by this situation, and yet, the GOP thinks Hillary belongs in prison for it.
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