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« on: July 06, 2016, 11:41:38 AM »

Chief among them the elimination college tuition for families with annual incomes under $125,000

Sanders praised the Clinton campaign's new proposals
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 11:44:28 AM »

Good. I hope she keeps going and governs like she campaigns.

But I also hope progs like me stay vigilant to check her work.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 11:52:40 AM »

College tuition is rising because colleges are paying for amenities (i.e. nonessentials) to attract the biggest and the brightest. If you transfer the burden from students who pay tuition to the federal government, then you're not eliminating the problem. Rather, you're likely worsening the problem, giving colleges more freedom to spend on non-essentials. The result, likely, is higher taxes.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 12:29:42 PM »

College tuition is rising because colleges are paying for amenities (i.e. nonessentials) to attract the biggest and the brightest. If you transfer the burden from students who pay tuition to the federal government, then you're not eliminating the problem. Rather, you're likely worsening the problem, giving colleges more freedom to spend on non-essentials. The result, likely, is higher taxes.
That's what Hillary was addressing in her original plan (college spending), and it's my understanding that she's keeping that, just doing more on the tuition side directly for students.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 12:46:47 PM »

Sanders' plan also substantively addressed it. Federal matching funds were tied to spending directly on classes and teachers.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 01:04:22 PM »

Better plan than I would have thought but still not ideal.

How exactly is this going to work?

If two parents make 60k a year each, their kids go to college for free but if they make 65k, they have to pay 100k?

You have to introduce some progressive pricing element, otherwise this very literally becomes an incentive to make less money.

Or better yet, simpler, just make it free for everyone.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 01:14:18 PM »

Better plan than I would have thought but still not ideal.

How exactly is this going to work?

If two parents make 60k a year each, their kids go to college for free but if they make 65k, they have to pay 100k?

You have to introduce some progressive pricing element, otherwise this very literally becomes an incentive to make less money.

Or better yet, simpler, just make it free for everyone.


Her plan, like Bernie's plan, applies only to public colleges; and I don't know any public colleges that cost 100k.

Additionally, regarding your last sentence, Hillary has repeatedly criticized Bernie's plan thus: "I don't want taxpayers picking up the tab so that Donald Trump can send his children to college for free" (My Paraphrase).

Basically, she feels that we are wasting money if we let the wealthy enjoy the benefit of free public college.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 01:16:39 PM »

FF news!!!
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 01:19:54 PM »

My question is, will she still support it when she gets into office?
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 01:32:08 PM »

Good. I hope she keeps going and governs like she campaigns.

But I also hope progs like me stay vigilant to check her work.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 01:33:16 PM »

My question is, will she still support it when she gets into office?


This is the crux of the issue for me with centrist Dems. It's very easy to produce a series of attractive white papers and then completely turn around on it.

That's why I'm very happy Sanders is continuing to push from the outside, and Warren from the inside.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 03:10:56 PM »

My question is, will she still support it when she gets into office?


This is the crux of the issue for me with centrist Dems. It's very easy to produce a series of attractive white papers and then completely turn around on it.

That's why I'm very happy Sanders is continuing to push from the outside, and Warren from the inside.

But you still have to come up with a plan that will pass Congress. That's the big problem with everything about what Bernie wants. He's a dreamer, and yes we need dreamers, but we also need pragmatists.

Hillary knows how to play the game. She knows how to compromise. She's going to get the best deal she can, but it may not look like what the young ones and the other dreamers want. But at least it will be a start, just like Obamacare is just a start.

Compromise is the name of the game to get anything done at the White House. Something Bernie isn't too keen on at the moment.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 03:38:12 PM »

This is a good start, to be sure.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 03:43:25 PM »

What is interesting is to see Sanders tweeting praise about this and for Clinton and then doing media appearances about it, all suggesting that the campaigns are coordinating. 
 
Despite the 'boos' at the House caucus, you don't see the Clinton campaign and surrogates going after Sanders, again suggesting that maybe they have slow rollout schedule worked out with him? Maybe endorsement comes in the days after final pre-convention platform committee meeting this weekend? Maybe even Sanders will join Clinton for some of those events she has planned for the week of the RNC?
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 03:47:50 PM »

What is interesting is to see Sanders tweeting praise about this and for Clinton and then doing media appearances about it, all suggesting that the campaigns are coordinating. 
 
Despite the 'boos' at the House caucus, you don't see the Clinton campaign and surrogates going after Sanders, again suggesting that maybe they have slow rollout schedule worked out with him? Maybe endorsement comes in the days after final pre-convention platform committee meeting this weekend? Maybe even Sanders will join Clinton for some of those events she has planned for the week of the RNC?

I really think they've been coordinating a lot more than people think since the end of the primaries.
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