Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Administration - Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 24, 2024, 04:10:48 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections (Moderators: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee, Lumine)
  Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Administration - Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: Public Office of the Leinad/Lumine Administration - Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen  (Read 9275 times)
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« on: July 19, 2016, 07:20:48 PM »

I recently signed the evergreen-Tmthforu94 LGBTQ+ Rights Act, because I feel that it's important for the government to treat people the same, and no one offered objections strong enough to convince me to veto the positive things this bill will do.
a beautiful day for atlasia Cheesy:D:D
Thank you, Mr. President!!! Smiley
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 09:51:25 PM »

The bill has been signed into law. You are welcome to introduce new legislation that would amend it and we can discuss those proposed changes.
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2016, 10:01:48 PM »

The bill has been signed into law. You are welcome to introduce new legislation that would amend it and we can discuss those proposed changes.

*rant on*

You rammed this through while The social conservatives have been gone. We can't have laws passed when one group of Atlasians did not have an opportunity to speak on the subject. It would be like ramming an abortion ban while only prolife reps are in session.

*rant off*

I'm asking President Leinad to reconsider his signature to this legislation. Until serious reworking is done I will seek its repeal. Plus the regions should have final and absolute sovereignty on marriage. Not the federal government.
The bill was left in queue for quite a while to gain feedback, and from that feedback, I proposed a "more acceptable" version of the bill in the Senate. I opened the vote in the Senate after it had been debated for MORE than the allotted time and it easily passed. I'm sorry you weren't able to actively participate, but we can't just bring legislation to a halt whenever someone goes on a LOA. There was also plenty of time for it to be debated in the House but no one bothered to make amendments, though I don't run the House. I only run the Senate.
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 11:30:57 PM »

We aren't going into uncharted territory, here. This lists instances when minors can seek treatment without parental consent, and there are others as well.
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 11:55:21 PM »


I repeat, is this right for the Senate to usurp parental rights embedded in the Atlasian constitution or is it not?
What clause are you referring to?
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 11:40:17 AM »


I repeat, is this right for the Senate to usurp parental rights embedded in the Atlasian constitution or is it not?
What clause are you referring to?

Section 2, Part 2

Section 2. The Right to Security in One's Own Body

1. All insurers within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Atlasia shall be required to cover options for hormone replacement therapy and puberty blockers.

2. There shall be no requirement that parents or guardians consent to a minor accessing puberty blockers.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. What part of the constitution are you referring to that guarantees parents/guardians the right to be able to consent on anything medical on their children?
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 05:35:15 PM »

It is hard to argue that something is "embedded in the constitution" then not have any part of the constitution to reference for that. I can ask you the same question: where in the constitution does it give parents the right to usurp medical decisions from minors? That being said, I'll fall back on Article V, Section I, because the right to life and liberty extend to all Atlasians, not just those who are 18 and over.
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 06:36:43 PM »

It is hard to argue that something is "embedded in the constitution" then not have any part of the constitution to reference for that. I can ask you the same question: where in the constitution does it give parents the right to usurp medical decisions from minors? That being said, I'll fall back on Article V, Section I, because the right to life and liberty extend to all Atlasians, not just those who are 18 and over.


In other words, your actions in usurping the authority of parents in matters relating to their minor children are ultra vires of the Atlasian constitution. 

Precedent is, clearly, that parents make the decisions in matters relating to their minor children.

Your using Article V, Section I in matters such as this is a stretch.

And it has become clear to me that this Senate is bound and determined to impose the radical gay agenda, and let me say, is determined to impose the radical LGBTQ agenda upon Atlasia, no matter what, legal or not.
As I have said multiple times and will continue to say, if you or others would like to offer an amended version of the legislation, you are welcome to do so. In terms of the Senate, it was adequately debated for more than the required time and was voted on without any objections. This wasn't shoved through - I performed as PPT as I was supposed to, so I'm unsure as to why people continue to specifically target the Senate.

In the time that those opposed to this bill have spent complaining about it after the fact, an amended version could have been offered and we could have already started the debate in Congress.
Logged
tmthforu94
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,402
United States


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: -4.52

P P P
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 10:44:31 PM »

Thank you for your service to Atlasia, Mr. President.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.026 seconds with 12 queries.