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« on: June 13, 2005, 10:34:04 PM »

 
 



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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 10:36:09 PM »

CONSPIRACY!111

Actually, I noticed the same thing a while ago.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 10:42:23 PM »

The west backed Wilson, but that was a one shot deal. They usually voted Republican.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 10:44:18 PM »

The west backed Wilson, but that was a one shot deal. They usually voted Republican.

Not always

 
 
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2005, 10:45:41 PM »
« Edited: June 13, 2005, 10:51:36 PM by Senator PBrunsel »

I see nothing. The West only voted Wilson because women could vote out there, and Hughes appeared to be anti-sufferage (although Wilson really was).

That idiot Hughes did not even meet with popular Governor (and then in 1916 Senate Canddiate) Herschel Johnson. Had he met with him, had some drinks, maybe golfed, then Johnson would have endorsed Hughes and he would have won California and the election.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 10:50:50 PM »

Wilson won New Hampshire by 56 votes out of nearly 90,000.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2005, 07:48:11 AM »

That idiot Hughes did not even meet with popular Governor (and then in 1916 Senate Canddiate) Herschel Johnson. Had he met with him, had some drinks, maybe golfed, then Johnson would have endorsed Hughes and he would have won California and the election.

Hughes stayed at the same hotel as Johnson, and didn't even know he was there. He had been planning to meet with him, but his advisers didn't tell him he was there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2005, 08:57:55 AM »

Demographics are different (very, very different in places), the parties are different, the issues are different etc.
Everyone that voted in 1916 was dead by 2000
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2005, 09:01:55 AM »

Demographics are different (very, very different in places), the parties are different, the issues are different etc.
Everyone that voted in 1916 was dead by 2000

Not necessarily.  If you were 21 in 1916, you were 105 in 2000 which in not entirely impossible, though very improbable.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2005, 03:32:23 PM »

Demographics are different (very, very different in places), the parties are different, the issues are different etc.
Everyone that voted in 1916 was dead by 2000

Not necessarily.  If you were 21 in 1916, you were 105 in 2000 which in not entirely impossible, though very improbable.

I think some states allowed you to vote at 18 well before the 26th amendment was enacted. I don't know if that was true in 1916, though.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 05:16:08 PM »

Demographics are different (very, very different in places), the parties are different, the issues are different etc.
Everyone that voted in 1916 was dead by 2000

Last year a man died who could have voted in 1912. He was almost 114.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 05:22:30 PM »

That idiot Hughes did not even meet with popular Governor (and then in 1916 Senate Canddiate) Herschel Johnson. Had he met with him, had some drinks, maybe golfed, then Johnson would have endorsed Hughes and he would have won California and the election.

Hughes stayed at the same hotel as Johnson, and didn't even know he was there. He had been planning to meet with him, but his advisers didn't tell him he was there.

That is true, but he should have made it his business to know. The problem with Hughes is that he was not a national candidate. He lacked the savy that Wilson had.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 08:16:57 PM »

Wilson was chosen by Democrat party bosses because he was the most Comservative candidate in 1912, TR being the liberal Candidate, Taft the Moderate. 
So perhaps its not surprising that the 1916 map for a conservative looks like the 2004 map for a conservative.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 08:22:16 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2005, 08:25:54 PM by jfern »

Wilson was chosen by Democrat party bosses because he was the most Comservative candidate in 1912, TR being the liberal Candidate, Taft the Moderate. 
So perhaps its not surprising that the 1916 map for a conservative looks like the 2004 map for a conservative.

I thought that Taft was more conservative than Wilson.
Anyways, an interesting what-if would be Wilson/Marshall vs. Taft/Roosevelt
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 08:32:31 PM »

Wilson was considered a progressive, and by most measures, he was. He greatly expanded federal power, started the income tax, and kept hiking it, started the estate tax, etc.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2005, 08:52:12 PM »

Wilson was considered a progressive, and by most measures, he was. He greatly expanded federal power, started the income tax, and kept hiking it, started the estate tax, etc.

When he first ran, he ran from the right. He called for states' rights, opposed the minimum wage, etc. He was easily the most conservative candidate.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2005, 02:06:20 AM »

Not in the public perception of the day. Wilson was no Bryan, obviously, but then neither was he another Alton Parker.
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