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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2016, 07:02:18 AM »

A person who, for example, does not support free trade (as is the case with Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and, before and after and maybe if you nominate and elect her, Hillary Clinton).
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2016, 04:05:40 PM »

A white supremacist-fascist who thought the backlash of an extended Obama presidency would awaken his Aryan brothers and sisters into joining the revolution.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2016, 04:08:35 PM »

White blue-collar workers and Huey Long Democrats.
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2016, 05:22:26 PM »

Socially liberal Northeastern whites.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2016, 10:46:33 PM »

A sexist.
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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2016, 03:17:21 AM »

Probably Myself.
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2016, 03:52:38 AM »

A white male union Democrat, probably racist and xenophobic, fearful of free trade and immigrants taking jobs from Americans.  Quite possibly a former George Wallace '68 voter.

most of the wallace voters were southern democrat conservatives who joined the republicans because of the republicans racial politics.  they have been voting republican for a very long time
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2016, 09:27:34 PM »

A white male union Democrat, probably racist and xenophobic, fearful of free trade and immigrants taking jobs from Americans.  Quite possibly a former George Wallace '68 voter.

most of the wallace voters were southern democrat conservatives who joined the republicans because of the republicans racial politics.  they have been voting republican for a very long time
I hate the GOP, but the idea that the racists suddenly jumped ship from the Democrats to the Republicans after the Civil Rights Act and Wallace's campaign is completely untrue.
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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2016, 10:28:34 PM »

A white male union Democrat, probably racist and xenophobic, fearful of free trade and immigrants taking jobs from Americans.  Quite possibly a former George Wallace '68 voter.

most of the wallace voters were southern democrat conservatives who joined the republicans because of the republicans racial politics.  they have been voting republican for a very long time
I hate the GOP, but the idea that the racists suddenly jumped ship from the Democrats to the Republicans after the Civil Rights Act and Wallace's campaign is completely untrue.
Exactly. Realignment did not happen overnight. It's not like one night, millions of white southern Democrats went to sleep, then woke up and became Republicans. They left in groups (lack of a better word). Some were turned off by support of the Civil Rights Act and became Republicans because of Goldwater. Others became Republicans after being turned off by McGovern, and Nixon's Southern Strategy. Others did not become Republicans until Reagan (The Reagan Democrats), and others until later. There are still some Blue Dog holdouts (probably mostly the fiscally liberal, socially conservative type). Even after the 1994 Republican Revolution, some Southern districts remained Democratic-held until recently (MS-04, WV-03, GA-12, NC-07, etc.) but eventually Republicans got them. It's kind of been a "top down" process: First, they started voting Republican for President, then for Senate, then for House. And you can make a strong argument that this process still hasn't been completed. Someone did a county map showing which party held the majority of county offices not too long ago, and many counties that are Republican in presidential races still reliably vote for Democrats in county races. So the Democratic loyalty is still well and alive (in some places and for some people) in the South. A few counties (like Elliott County, KY) remain Democratic at the presidential level, but that probably won't last too long. That's my 2 cents.
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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2016, 12:26:46 AM »

TRUMP. is. neither. sexist. nor. racist.
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2016, 01:49:11 AM »

A white male union Democrat, probably racist and xenophobic, fearful of free trade and immigrants taking jobs from Americans.  Quite possibly a former George Wallace '68 voter.

most of the wallace voters were southern democrat conservatives who joined the republicans because of the republicans racial politics.  they have been voting republican for a very long time
I hate the GOP, but the idea that the racists suddenly jumped ship from the Democrats to the Republicans after the Civil Rights Act and Wallace's campaign is completely untrue.
Exactly. Realignment did not happen overnight. It's not like one night, millions of white southern Democrats went to sleep, then woke up and became Republicans. They left in groups (lack of a better word). Some were turned off by support of the Civil Rights Act and became Republicans because of Goldwater. Others became Republicans after being turned off by McGovern, and Nixon's Southern Strategy. Others did not become Republicans until Reagan (The Reagan Democrats), and others until later. There are still some Blue Dog holdouts (probably mostly the fiscally liberal, socially conservative type). Even after the 1994 Republican Revolution, some Southern districts remained Democratic-held until recently (MS-04, WV-03, GA-12, NC-07, etc.) but eventually Republicans got them. It's kind of been a "top down" process: First, they started voting Republican for President, then for Senate, then for House. And you can make a strong argument that this process still hasn't been completed. Someone did a county map showing which party held the majority of county offices not too long ago, and many counties that are Republican in presidential races still reliably vote for Democrats in county races. So the Democratic loyalty is still well and alive (in some places and for some people) in the South. A few counties (like Elliott County, KY) remain Democratic at the presidential level, but that probably won't last too long. That's my 2 cents.

It wasn't overnight, but it did indeed happen, and the CRA was the catalyst that began the process.
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2016, 07:23:02 PM »

A moderate Staten Islander who voted for Obama in 2012 due to weariness with the Bush administration and the Obama's Hurricane Sandy response but supporting Trump due to his promises to bring jobs back and restrict immigration.
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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2016, 05:43:25 PM »

A blue collar urban worker who isn't comfortable voting for a woman and maybe agrees with Trump on trade and is concerned about terrorism.

A young dudebro who votes for whichever candidate is cooler.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2016, 12:45:02 AM »

A lot of swing voters go back and forth between parties every 8 years.  Perhaps those who still remember the bitter fight of the 2008 primary or an Obama voter who is disgruntled about Bernie Sanders in the primary.
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2016, 01:47:04 AM »

A white male union Democrat, probably racist and xenophobic, fearful of free trade and immigrants taking jobs from Americans.  Quite possibly a former George Wallace '68 voter.

most of the wallace voters were southern democrat conservatives who joined the republicans because of the republicans racial politics.  they have been voting republican for a very long time
I hate the GOP, but the idea that the racists suddenly jumped ship from the Democrats to the Republicans after the Civil Rights Act and Wallace's campaign is completely untrue.
Then why do you have a GOP avatar?
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« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2016, 06:27:31 AM »

A normally reliable Democratic voter for whom the issue of Hillary's e-mails (not Benghazi, as such a voter would likely have voted for Romney) is just too much.

Not that I am such a person (I'm still with her), but I can certainly see that happening.  Many workplaces might be more hostile to her than to Obama ("If I did what she did, I'd probably be taken to some secret prison [substitute Gauntanamo Bay]"), and that could rub off on people.
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2016, 04:32:53 PM »

we take such a focus group approach to this- there is always a pool of voters who will vote weirdly, and it won't be because they're in a certain group
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2016, 06:42:52 PM »

A blue collar rust-belt resident attracted by Trump's populist economics, and who was never too crazy about the Muslims anyway...
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2016, 10:04:06 PM »

we take such a focus group approach to this- there is always a pool of voters who will vote weirdly, and it won't be because they're in a certain group

So basically your answer is "a weirdo". I could believe that.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2016, 11:03:55 PM »

White blue-collar workers and Huey Long Democrats.

Yeah - could have been me until Hillary picked Kaine.
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2016, 11:12:52 PM »

Easy: blue collar, rural, white person who didn't go to college, strongly anti-trade and votes on labor issues.

That's the stereotype, anyway, as much as people don't like to admit there's going to be a lot of these voters, and a lot of Romney/Clinton types too.
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« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2016, 02:11:13 AM »

A lot will be low-information voters, mostly white and younger than the average voter, who get caught up in the aesthetics of it all and end up voting for the most "celebrity"-type candidate in elections.

This. 100%
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« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2016, 08:31:37 AM »

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« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2016, 08:33:06 AM »

An Obama/Trump voter would probably be a blue collar worker from Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Maine that is opposed to Clinton's support for free trade and is attracted to Trump's message of economic nationalism or a African-American Republican who despite Trump's deep racism and hatred for their racial group as a whole, feels that Trump can be better trusted on racial issues than Clinton.

On the other hand, a Romney/Clinton voter would be a white collar, suburban Republican from either Utah, Texas, New Hampshire, or Virginia who is turned off by Trump's extremism and the overall anti-intellectual bent of his campaign.
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« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2016, 01:26:08 PM »

A socially conservative, economically liberal Russian immigrant to the U.S. (and naturalized U.S. citizen, obviously) votes for Obama in 2012 due to her love of Obama's economic policy. However, she votes for Trump in 2016 due to her dislike of Hillary Clinton's corruption and incompetence and due to the fact that she likes the extent to which Trump isn't politically correct.
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