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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2016, 06:47:53 AM »

This was hilarious yet I get the feeling most Bernie supporters would shrug and say "What's so funny about this?"

Agreed. Very nicely done, but I don't think it will change the minds of any Bernie supporters.
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2016, 06:49:57 AM »

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

If I were a Democrat I'd like to bring in more voters then just our democratic base.

Then register them. Of course this can't be done on reddit or facebook, so it's understandable that Sanders supporters don't like this option.

Sanders supporters are too hip to be caught registering new voters at minority neighborhoods or working class small towns.
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2016, 07:41:02 AM »

Outside of the south, Ohio is the only non closed primary that Bernie lost by more than 2 points. And that might have been because of all the Democrats who voted Kasich. All of Hillary's wins by more than 2 points were in the south, a closed primary, or her 5 point win in the closed Nevada caucus.

These are statements of fact to be sure, but I have to wonder why you chose to single out the 5 point Nevada win as a special case? If the point was that she only wins by more than a couple points in the south or closed contests, Nevada provides a counterexample to that does it not? Also, I don't see why the open contest wins in the south should be neglected in terms of Hillary's appeal, as it is implied. There were a lot of them and they were very big, and they count.
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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2016, 09:49:48 AM »

Haha! The video is pretty accurate and you only have to read some of the Youtube comments to see that it hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

This. Closed primaries are the best method. People who've helped grow and shape the direction of a party should have the major say in deciding who their presidential nominee will be. It's disingenuous to try and lump them in with superdelegates and caucuses.

That being said, the New York cut off point was absurdly early and the Bernie supporters do have a legitimate grievance regarding that.

Ideally they should be mixed - open to Democrats and independents, but not Republicans. For various reasons, a lot of Millennials like to shun party labels (despite voting for that party most/all of the time anyway), so the rules should be adapted to this new situation. We really can't just say "well they should change their affiliation", because as things are right now, they won't, and we'll continue to have these issues. It's better if we have smoother elections where people don't feel excluded when there really aren't a whole lot of good reasons to do it in the first place.

However, in principle I do agree with you, but the way things are, it just doesn't work right.

I basically agree with this. There isn't an effective difference between "Democrats" and "non-Democrats" other than what box they checked off on a form, so all closed primaries accomplish is reducing the number of people who can vote.
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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 10:04:50 AM »

The comments on this video are hilarious:
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This one is also grammatically incorrect as well as factually false. It should read: "The FBI and the DoJ will send Hillary to jail." That's the difference between passive and active voice.
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This is also a critical misspelling of superdelegates.
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Bernie supporters are crazy.
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« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2016, 10:44:15 AM »

The comments on this video are hilarious:
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This one is also grammatically incorrect as well as factually false. It should read: "The FBI and the DoJ will send Hillary to jail." That's the difference between passive and active voice.
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This is also a critical misspelling of superdelegates.
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Bernie supporters are crazy.

There's nothing wrong with using the passive voice.
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