Why Bernie Sanders is Actually Winning

[Figueira]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

[DINGO Joe]

It's funny because it's true (said in Homer Simpson voice)

[Zache]

Wish there was a quip about the South not counting.

[Ronnie]

I can't believe he didn't mention the FBI primary.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

LOL

[tallguy23]

This was hilarious yet I get the feeling most Bernie supporters would shrug and say "What's so funny about this?"

[For Trump, everything. For immigrants, the law]

It's funny, for sure, but the arguments about caucuses/superdelegates are dumb on both sides.

[RaphaelDLG]

Caucuses and superdelegates and closed primaries are all awful awful awful, but superdelegates are by far the most offensive of the three

[Red Willow]

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

[IceSpear]

I laughed way too hard at the "f**ing Hillary supporter" and "neoliberal shill" parts.

[Admiral Kizaru]

Haha! The video is pretty accurate and you only have to read some of the Youtube comments to see that it hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

This. Closed primaries are the best method. People who've helped grow and shape the direction of a party should have the major say in deciding who their presidential nominee will be. It's disingenuous to try and lump them in with superdelegates and caucuses.

That being said, the New York cut off point was absurdly early and the Bernie supporters do have a legitimate grievance regarding that.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

If I were a Democrat I'd like to bring in more voters then just our democratic base.

[Virginiá]

Haha! The video is pretty accurate and you only have to read some of the Youtube comments to see that it hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

This. Closed primaries are the best method. People who've helped grow and shape the direction of a party should have the major say in deciding who their presidential nominee will be. It's disingenuous to try and lump them in with superdelegates and caucuses.

That being said, the New York cut off point was absurdly early and the Bernie supporters do have a legitimate grievance regarding that.

Ideally they should be mixed - open to Democrats and independents, but not Republicans. For various reasons, a lot of Millennials like to shun party labels (despite voting for that party most/all of the time anyway), so the rules should be adapted to this new situation. We really can't just say "well they should change their affiliation", because as things are right now, they won't, and we'll continue to have these issues. It's better if we have smoother elections where people don't feel excluded when there really aren't a whole lot of good reasons to do it in the first place.

However, in principle I do agree with you, but the way things are, it just doesn't work right.

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Outside of the south, Ohio is the only non closed primary that Bernie lost by more than 2 points. And that might have been because of all the Democrats who voted Kasich. All of Hillary's wins by more than 2 points were in the south, a closed primary, or her 5 point win in the closed Nevada caucus.

[Ronnie]

I prefer closed primaries as well, and I agree that registration dates should not have such an insanely early cutoff as they did in NY.  A month prior to the election seems like a reasonable timeframe.

On a tangent, I also think early voting should begin no earlier than one to two weeks before a primary.  We've seen what can happen when people are able to vote months before the election date (e.g. Rubio in AZ).

[DINGO Joe]

Outside of the south, Ohio is the only non closed primary that Bernie lost by more than 2 points. And that might have been because of all the Democrats who voted Kasich. All of Hillary's wins by more than 2 points were in the south, a closed primary, or her 5 point win in the closed Nevada caucus.

Thank you for that authentic display of Bernie Math.

[RaphaelDLG]

In a country where first past the post and rigged court decisions "upholding the stability of the two party system" force you to vote for one of the two main parties lest you completely waste your vote, yes, closed primaries are immoral.

If we had IRV or PR I'd be okay with closed primaries.  With fptp they help make American elections a false choice.

[temmie b. <3]

Outside of the south, Ohio is the only non closed primary that Bernie lost by more than 2 points. And that might have been because of all the Democrats who voted Kasich. All of Hillary's wins by more than 2 points were in the south, a closed primary, or her 5 point win in the closed Nevada caucus.

I feel like the irony here is probably lost on you.

[OSR stands with Israel]

hahaha

[zzz]

This is a case where College Humor is literally college humor. Like, college's love Bernie, which is humorous.

[Higgs]

Wish there was a quip about the South not counting.

Same, I was waiting for it.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Outside of the south, Ohio is the only non closed primary that Bernie lost by more than 2 points. And that might have been because of all the Democrats who voted Kasich. All of Hillary's wins by more than 2 points were in the south, a closed primary, or her 5 point win in the closed Nevada caucus.

In other words, Bernie always wins except when he loses.

[SillyAmerican]

Haha! The video is pretty accurate and you only have to read some of the Youtube comments to see that it hasn't gone down well in some quarters.

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

This. Closed primaries are the best method. People who've helped grow and shape the direction of a party should have the major say in deciding who their presidential nominee will be. It's disingenuous to try and lump them in with superdelegates and caucuses.

That being said, the New York cut off point was absurdly early and the Bernie supporters do have a legitimate grievance regarding that.

Ideally they should be mixed - open to Democrats and independents, but not Republicans. For various reasons, a lot of Millennials like to shun party labels (despite voting for that party most/all of the time anyway), so the rules should be adapted to this new situation. We really can't just say "well they should change their affiliation", because as things are right now, they won't, and we'll continue to have these issues. It's better if we have smoother elections where people don't feel excluded when there really aren't a whole lot of good reasons to do it in the first place.

However, in principle I do agree with you, but the way things are, it just doesn't work right.

Oh my, I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but I agree with Virginia. (Forget Santa Clause; my letter would begin "Yes, Virginia, there is a growing independent movement.")

Parties are fast becoming a thing of the past. It is the independent voter that will decide things going forward, despite what the major parties would like to see happen. Eventually, I hope to witness the party system implode completely, and with it, the influence big money has on campaigns. (Trump and Sanders are probably representative of the way things will look in the future; establishment types in both parties need to understand and embrace this fact...).

[Desroko]

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

If I were a Democrat I'd like to bring in more voters then just our democratic base.

Then register them. Of course this can't be done on reddit or facebook, so it's understandable that Sanders supporters don't like this option.

[temmie b. <3]

Closed primaries are not awful. Democrats should decide the result of the Democratic primary, same with Republicans.

If I were a Democrat I'd like to bring in more voters then just our democratic base.

Then register them. Of course this can't be done on reddit or facebook, so it's understandable that Sanders supporters don't like this option.

The problem here is, as another poster said, many voters, especially millennials, oftentimes don't want to register with a party. I believe all primaries and caucuses should be open to independents.