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« on: June 08, 2005, 04:25:10 PM »
« edited: June 08, 2005, 04:42:42 PM by SoFA True Democrat »

I'll just go through each year starting in 1944:

I could only use the scenarios that 80soft.com has.  I was the fourth party in each of the elections and I did nothing the entire time:

1944:

Dewey/Bricker: 46%, 27,426,843, 269 electoral votes
Roosevelt/Truman: 49%, 29,701,766, 262 electoral votes
Thomas/Maurer: 3%, 1,978,488
Watson/Hamblen (Prohitibition, Me): 0%, 472,609



Our new President is: Dewey

1948:

Truman tries to make a run of his own after losing the Vice-Presidency in 1944.  Dewey has replaced Bricker with Warren.

Truman/Barkely: 46%, 36,668,988, 228 electoral votes
Dewey/Warren: 42%, 33,848,293, 265 electoral votes
Thrumond/Wright: 9%, 7,880,632, 38 electoral votes
Wallace/Tyler (Me): 0%, 475,529



As there is no majority, the Democratically dominated House elects Harry Truman president.
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2005, 10:20:36 PM »

1952:

After deciding not to run for reelection citing health reasons, Truman has handpicked Adlai Stevenson to be his successor for the Presidency.  The Republicans have nominated national hero Eisenhower.

The election turned out much closer than expected with Stevenson doing much better in the Northeast than expected, but Eisenhower doing very well in the South for a Republican, especially outer Southern states like Texas and Virginia.

Eisenhower/Nixon: 50%, 39,803,888, 270 electoral votes
Stevenson/Sparkman: 48%, 38,141,755, 261 electoral votes
Faubus/Cromellin: 0%, 729,322
Decker/Munn (Me): 0%, 352,064

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 10:31:58 PM »

Hah, this is a great idea. Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2005, 10:34:50 PM »


Yeah, I'm kind of stuck though.  There is no '56 simulator.  Unless someone makes one soon, I'm just going to assume Eisenhower got reelected.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2005, 05:28:40 AM »

Where the hell did Thurmond get 9% of the vote from? Ran in more states?
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2005, 05:33:56 AM »

Where the hell did Thurmond get 9% of the vote from? Ran in more states?

Yeah, I think it runs them in every state. It looks like Thurmond actualy did worse in the states he won than in real life.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2005, 03:56:10 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2005, 03:58:29 PM by SoFA True Democrat »

After unanimously deciding not to have an election for Eisenhower's reelection, the people are ready for the 1960 election.

Kennedy loses major ground in the South, but he more than makes up for it in the West.  A big surprise is Nixon's 56.5-41.9 win over Kennedy in New York.

Kennedy/Johnson: 50%, 39,810,653, 307 electoral votes
Nixon/Lodge: 47%, 37,757,149, 230 electoral votes
Faubus/Cromellin: 1%, 1,163,816
Decker/Munn (Me): 0%, 490,525

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2005, 04:11:20 PM »

Very interesting. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2005, 04:41:00 PM »

P4E 1960 is broken in the south (Georgia was made too Republican).
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2005, 04:47:53 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2005, 04:50:11 PM by SoFA True Democrat »

After Oswald shot Kennedy in 1963, Johnson is running.  His opponent is Republican Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater.

Johnson/Humphrey: 54%, 42,918,195, 401 electoral votes
Goldwater/Miller: 44%, 35,216,195, 137 electoral votes
Hass/Blomen: 0%, 331,152
DeBerry/Shaw: 0%, 324,690



Goldwater does much better than expected.  The biggest upset of the night is Minnesota, which he wins 57.5-41.5.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2005, 10:49:25 PM »

After Oswald shot Kennedy in 1963, Johnson is running.  His opponent is Republican Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater.

Johnson/Humphrey: 54%, 42,918,195, 401 electoral votes
Goldwater/Miller: 44%, 35,216,195, 137 electoral votes
Hass/Blomen: 0%, 331,152
DeBerry/Shaw: 0%, 324,690


If the popular vote if 44% for Goldwater, shouldn't he be getting like 103% in Mississippi?

Goldwater does much better than expected.  The biggest upset of the night is Minnesota, which he wins 57.5-41.5.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2005, 11:24:25 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2005, 11:44:41 AM by SoFA True Democrat »

1968:

After deciding not to run reelection, LBJ has picked his Vice-President Hubert Humphrey as his successor.

Humphrey/Muskie: 45%, 45,828,193, 272 electoral votes
Nixon/Agnew: 39%, 39,649,338, 208 electoral votes
Wallace/Lemay: 14%, 14,745,711, 58 electoral votes
Decker/Munn (ME): 0%, 554,880



Humphrey does extremely well in the Northeast.  Wallace also does much better than expected.  An example of this is Maryland which is won by Humphrey over Wallace over Nixon 53.1-30.3-16.1.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2005, 11:41:57 AM »

1972:

After dying in office of natural causes in 1969, Humphrey can no longer seek reelection in 1972.  The Republicans nominate Nixon for a third time hopoing that third time's the charm.  The Democrats nominate McGovern in a come from behind victory in the primaries.

Nixon/Agnew: 48%, 48,735,855, 267 electoral votes
McGovern/Shriver: 48%, 48,261,804, 271 electoral votes
Schmitz/Anderson: 1%, 1,812,262
Hospers/Nathan (Me): 1%, 1,291,118



The election campaign is one of the oddest ever.  McGovern loses the popular vote while winning the electoral vote.  McGovern runs a  horrible campaign but wins because of sympathy for Humphrey's death.  White southerners feel Nixon has the election in the  bag and do not show up in big numbers.  Consequently, many African-Americans show up to support McGovern, and McGovern wins the South.  The interior West votes stronger for Nixon than expected.  Also, during his campaign, Nixon makes many anti-Washington states comments, so McGovern runs over 80.8%.  The last surprise is Washington D.C., which is exptected to vote strongly for McGovern, but turnout is about 20%, and Nixon wins it.

Note: Doesn't this seem eerily similar to 2000 in terms of popular vote % and electoral votes?
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2005, 11:46:41 AM »

This is hilarious.  In 56, the nation unanimously decided not to have an election.  Humphrey died.  Nixon makes anti-Washington comments.  LOL
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2005, 12:01:30 PM »

1976:

McGovern does not receive the renomination for President, and Governor Carter of Georgia gets the nomination.  Representative Gerald Ford of Michigan gets the Republican nomination.

Carter/Mondale: 46%, 46,745,844
Ford/Dole: 49%, 49,386,583
McCarthy/Lucey: 2%, 2,916,502
Clark/Koch (Me): 1%, 1,148,131



After four terms of Democratic rule with four different Presidents, the people are ready for a Republican.  Ford does extremely well in urban areas while Carter does well in suburban areas.  The West votes for Carter, but his southern roots barely give him a boost in the South.
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2005, 12:49:05 PM »

After dying in office of natural causes in 1969, Humphrey can no longer seek reelection in 1972.

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2005, 12:51:23 PM »

After dying in office of natural causes in 1969, Humphrey can no longer seek reelection in 1972.

Roll Eyes

That line was great indeed. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2005, 03:36:14 PM »

1980:

The idea of incumbency for a President has become nonexistant.  Ford and Dole both decide not to seek reelection.  The Democrats nominate Carter who again picks Mondale as his Vice-President.  Anderson decides to run as an Indepedent and picks McCarthy's old running mate Lucey as his Vice-President.  The Republicans appeal to the Conservatives by nominating Ronald Reagan, but keep the moderate with George Bush.

Carter/Mondale: 45%, 45,2036,030, 252 electoral votes
Reagan/Bush: 47%, 47,483,827, 286 electoral votes
Anderson/Lucey: 6%, 6,125,614
Clark/Koch (Me): 1%, 1,223,395



Carter makes this election closer than his last but still loses.  The biggest surprise of the night is California, which Carter wins over favorite son Reagan by less than a percent.  Carter does better in urban areas like New York, but worse in the interior West.  Anderson turns only a few Northeastern states to Carter.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2005, 03:52:23 PM »

1984:

For the first time since 1956, a President is seeking reelection.  The Democrats nominate former Vice-Presidential running mate Walter Mondale, who picks little-known New York State Senator Geraldine Ferraro as his Vice-President.

Reagan/Bush: 55%, 55,279,017, 429 electoral votes
Mondale/Ferraro: 44%, 44,222,466, 109 electoral votes
LaRouche/Davis: 0%, 346,793
Bergland/Lewis (Me): 0%, 495,958



When Indiana came in for Reagan at 51.8-47.9, it did not look good for reelection.  However, he quickly rebounded and got over 60% in many states including New Jersey.  The only upset of the night was Tennessee, which Mondale won 52.2-47.7.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2005, 08:12:39 AM »

For the first time since 1956, a President is seeking reelection.  The Democrats nominate former Vice-Presidential running mate Walter Mondale, who picks little-known New York State Senator Geraldine Ferraro as his Vice-President.
Ferraro was a congresswoman, not a state senator.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2005, 08:31:52 AM »

1988:

After eight years of Reagan rule, the people are ready for another race.

Bush/Quayle: 51%, 46,316,704, 280 electoral votes
Dukakis/Bentsen: 45%, 40,556,024, 258 electoral votes
Duke/Parker: 2%, 2,667,994
Marrou/Lord (Me): 0%, 449,148



On election day, Dukakis goes in leading by 3, but ends up losing by 6 percent.  He does very well for a Democrat in rural areas, but no so well in the growing suburbs.  Wisconsin, however, is a upset.  Voter fraud is suspected.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2005, 08:46:31 AM »

1992:

With the economy in the dumps, the people are ready for a new President, but the Independent Perot gets involved in the race.  Because third parties have been consistently getting over 3% in the past, Perot decides not to drop out as was expected when countless attacks by Bush and Clinton were made on him.

Bush/Quayle: 33%, 36,361,844, 201 electoral votes
Clinton/Gore: 35%, 39,249,949, 210 electoral votes
Perot/Stockdale: 30%, 33,254,051, 127 electoral votes
Marrou/Lord (Me): 1%, 1,148,818



For the first time since 1948, the House must elect the President.  Amazingly, Bush wins this vote.  He gets many many Northern Democrats and Perot voters to vote for him.  In the election, Perot does much better than expected in big markets such as California, Florida, and New York.  He also does very well out West.
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2005, 08:59:25 AM »

1996:

After losing to Bush by a close House vote in 1992, Clinton tries for a rerun and again picks Gore as his Vice-President.  The Republicans nominate Senator Bob Dole of Kansas who picks Jack Kemp of New York as his running mate.  Clinton actually has the advantage going into the election.  Perot also makes another run.

Clinton/Gore: 47%, 51,932,236, 315 electoral votes
Dole/Kemp: 42%, 47,147,017, 223 electoral votes
Perot/Stockdale: 8%, 9,785,562
Browne/Oliver (Me): 0%, 1,010,986



After losing the last election, Clinton finally wins.  He ends up winning by a pretty big margin.  His appeal to the South has worn off.  He does very well in the upper midwest, such as Michigan.
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2005, 11:49:54 AM »

This is hilarious.  In 56, the nation unanimously decided not to have an election.  Humphrey died.  Nixon makes anti-Washington comments.  LOL

There's a flaw in the PF 1972 that switches DC and Washington state.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2005, 12:56:49 PM »

2000:

Clinton decides not to run for another sighting personal reasons.  Gore easily receives the Democratic nomination.  George Bush gets the Republican nomination.

Bush/Cheney: 46%, 57,752,852, 259 electoral votes
Gore/Lieberman:46%, 57,857,694, 279 electoral votes
Nader/LaDuke: 5%, 7,456,081
Browne/Oliver (Me): 1%, 1,558,922

The election turns out to be a win for Gore as expected, but Nader almost costs him the election.

Here is the election map:



Here is the map if you add Nader's votes to Gore:


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