Have any democrats gotten more conservative due to the sanders campaign?

[Matty]

I have heard more than a few of my liberal friends say that sanders' rise has actually made them "less socialist" because with his rise came some scrutiny into the numbers and the costs and just how different the tax structure/rates would have to be and they say it made them a little more cautious about it all.

Any democrats on here feel the same way? Has the scrutiny that sanders' plans have received made you a little bit more "conservative" on some fiscal issues?

[Mallow]

No, no difference for me.

[Famous Mortimer]

In the short term, yes. There's certainly woman who backed Hillary for identity politics reasons who don't like socialism anymore because a socialist ran against their candidate. It's unclear how long that antagonism will last. It could go away as soon as Hillary is officially nominated.

Remember that Hillary supporters and Obama supporters hated each other back in '08 and now they have merged into one group.

[Santander]

His adoption of identity politics has moved me to the right (now squarely in Republican territory) on social issues. My positions on economic issues remain unchanged, but they were never on the liberal end of the Democratic spectrum anyway.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I would say its more because of relative position why some Democrats feel like they have gotten more conservative because Bernie is quite left wing than the usual Democratic candidate and some Democrats realize they are not as liberal as they think.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

His adoption of identity politics has moved me to the right (now squarely in Republican territory) on social issues. My positions on economic issues remain unchanged, but they were never on the liberal end of the Democratic spectrum anyway.

Your PM score is more like a Republican than a Democrat.  What issues actually make you a Democrat?

[NerdyBohemian]

On tumblr I'm suddenly the conservative.

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It's more that they've gotten more conservative due to Hillary's campaign.

[IceSpear]

His adoption of identity politics has moved me to the right (now squarely in Republican territory) on social issues. My positions on economic issues remain unchanged, but they were never on the liberal end of the Democratic spectrum anyway.

Your PM score is more like a Republican than a Democrat.  What issues actually make you a Democrat?

His score is about as close to me as it is to you. lol

[Santander]

His adoption of identity politics has moved me to the right (now squarely in Republican territory) on social issues. My positions on economic issues remain unchanged, but they were never on the liberal end of the Democratic spectrum anyway.

Your PM score is more like a Republican than a Democrat.  What issues actually make you a Democrat?

Basically, I'm a Democrat because I don't believe in supply-side economics, am appalled by the deification of Reagan and I prefer the history of the Democratic Party. It says a lot about my disenchantment with both parties that I haven't switched parties despite my disdain for the Democrats.

Also, this thread inspired me to take the PM again and indeed, my economic score remained unchanged but my social score shifted by +1.4 from 3.3 to 4.7 since I first took it a couple of years ago.

[RaphaelDLG]

I'm sure, but as a whole the Sanders' campaign's long-term effect will be to make Democrats on average substantially more liberal, which was the whole point.

[Mehmentum]

Yes and no.

Well, between the Sanders campaign and the SJW movement, I certainly feel a lot less liberal now than I did say, 4 years ago.   Maybe some of that's just the Overton window shifting on me.

If Sanders had happened 5 years ago, I would have been all over him. I watched The Young Turks, read Huffington Post, I would have been a true Bernie cultist (though I feel I would not have tolerated the emotional rollercoaster, and would have gotten off by now).

My journey away from that viewpoint happened slowly, and I think atlas had a lot to do with me changing my views.  I would say that Sanders' candidacy has accelerated that, it led me to question a lot of things that I had previously just taken at face value.

[Fuzzy Bear]

His adoption of identity politics has moved me to the right (now squarely in Republican territory) on social issues. My positions on economic issues remain unchanged, but they were never on the liberal end of the Democratic spectrum anyway.

Your PM score is more like a Republican than a Democrat.  What issues actually make you a Democrat?

Basically, I'm a Democrat because I don't believe in supply-side economics, am appalled by the deification of Reagan and I prefer the history of the Democratic Party. It says a lot about my disenchantment with both parties that I haven't switched parties despite my disdain for the Democrats.

Also, this thread inspired me to take the PM again and indeed, my economic score remained unchanged but my social score shifted by +1.4 from 3.3 to 4.7 since I first took it a couple of years ago.

I'm kind of the same way.  Unfortunately, most "moderate" Democrats are conservative on economics, but socially liberal.  SSM is a litmus test for Democrats now and BLM will become one soon.  So while I will vote for Democrats, I register Republican for local political considerations and consider myself a true Independent.  I thought of registering as a Democrat to vote for Sanders (he's right on Trade and War) but given my social conservatism, I just couldn't quite do it.

[Famous Mortimer]

As much as he pandered to them, Sanders is not himself an SJW. I actually think Sanders was the last chance for the non-SJW left to take power. The left-wing Democrats of the future are going to be uniformly pro-open borders, pro-slavery reparations, anti-existence of Israel, anti-presumption of innocence in rape cases, and pro-racial quotas.

[Fuzzy Bear]

As much as he pandered to them, Sanders is not himself an SJW. I actually think Sanders was the last chance for the non-SJW left to take power. The left-wing Democrats of the future are going to be uniformly pro-open borders, pro-slavery reparations, anti-existence of Israel, anti-presumption of innocence in rape cases, and pro-racial quotas.

If this is true, I may have voted for my last Democrat.

[Hammy]

I don't think any Dems have gotten more conservative due to Sanders. If anything he just made the closet conservatives longing for the days of the party of Wallace and Byrd realize those days are gone and never coming back.

[Famous Mortimer]

As much as he pandered to them, Sanders is not himself an SJW. I actually think Sanders was the last chance for the non-SJW left to take power. The left-wing Democrats of the future are going to be uniformly pro-open borders, pro-slavery reparations, anti-existence of Israel, anti-presumption of innocence in rape cases, and pro-racial quotas.

If this is true, I may have voted for my last Democrat.

I mean, that will be one wing of the party. The Clintonite neo-liberal wing will still exist as well. Although I know you aren't crazy about them either.

[RaphaelDLG]

As much as he pandered to them, Sanders is not himself an SJW. I actually think Sanders was the last chance for the non-SJW left to take power. The left-wing Democrats of the future are going to be uniformly pro-open borders, pro-slavery reparations, anti-existence of Israel, anti-presumption of innocence in rape cases, and pro-racial quotas.

If this is true, I may have voted for my last Democrat.

I mean, that will be one wing of the party. The Clintonite neo-liberal wing will still exist as well. Although I know you aren't crazy about them either.

You see, the Clintonite neo-liberal wing and the SJW/identity politics wing are the SAME wing and go together like peanut butter and jelly.

There are WAY too few urban technocratic upper/upper-middle class professionals (the neoliberal Dem constituency) to survive without forming a coalition with identity politics voters (minorities, women, gays, etc).

[Famous Mortimer]

The neo-liberal wing is definitely adopting some SJW language but I doubt they will ever go full blown SJW. A future establishment Democrat may apologize for slavery and cry about how racist America is but they probably won't come out in favor of reparations. They may say "Black Lives Matter" but they will still have the sense to punish violent criminals regardless of race.

Alternatively, on the left, there will be no prominent Democrats supporting single payer health care, state funded college tuition, or high taxes on the rich WITHOUT ALSO SUPPORTING reparations, quotas, open borders, etc.

[RaphaelDLG]

The neo-liberal wing is definitely adopting some SJW language but I doubt they will ever go full blown SJW. A future establishment Democrat may apologize for slavery and cry about how racist America is but they probably won't come out in favor of reparations. They may say "Black Lives Matter" but they will still have the sense to punish violent criminals regardless of race.

Alternatively, on the left, there will be no prominent Democrats supporting single payer health care, state funded college tuition, or high taxes on the rich WITHOUT ALSO SUPPORTING reparations, quotas, open borders, etc.

To be fair, NOBODY outside of like Tumblr, Chris Hayes, and black people actually support reparations in practice, even the most strident social progressives.

Agree with the immigration piece.

Maybe I'm naive, but I wish we had multimember districts and IRV in the US, because I dream of a yellow right-wing liberal party (that eventually becomes somewhat marginalized), a blue centrist traditionalist party, and a red social democratic party

[Famous Mortimer]

The neo-liberal wing is definitely adopting some SJW language but I doubt they will ever go full blown SJW. A future establishment Democrat may apologize for slavery and cry about how racist America is but they probably won't come out in favor of reparations. They may say "Black Lives Matter" but they will still have the sense to punish violent criminals regardless of race.

Alternatively, on the left, there will be no prominent Democrats supporting single payer health care, state funded college tuition, or high taxes on the rich WITHOUT ALSO SUPPORTING reparations, quotas, open borders, etc.

To be fair, NOBODY outside of like Tumblr, Chris Hayes, and black people actually support reparations in practice, even the most strident social progressives.

Agree with the immigration piece.

Maybe I'm naive, but I wish we had multimember districts and IRV in the US, because I dream of a yellow right-wing liberal party (that eventually becomes somewhat marginalized), a blue centrist traditionalist party, and a red social democratic party

Tumblr will be the people running the left-wing of the Democrat Party in the future. That's my point. Who else would it be?

[RaphaelDLG]

The neo-liberal wing is definitely adopting some SJW language but I doubt they will ever go full blown SJW. A future establishment Democrat may apologize for slavery and cry about how racist America is but they probably won't come out in favor of reparations. They may say "Black Lives Matter" but they will still have the sense to punish violent criminals regardless of race.

Alternatively, on the left, there will be no prominent Democrats supporting single payer health care, state funded college tuition, or high taxes on the rich WITHOUT ALSO SUPPORTING reparations, quotas, open borders, etc.

To be fair, NOBODY outside of like Tumblr, Chris Hayes, and black people actually support reparations in practice, even the most strident social progressives.

Agree with the immigration piece.

Maybe I'm naive, but I wish we had multimember districts and IRV in the US, because I dream of a yellow right-wing liberal party (that eventually becomes somewhat marginalized), a blue centrist traditionalist party, and a red social democratic party

Tumblr will be the people running the left-wing of the Democrat Party in the future. That's my point. Who else would it be?

On the subject of annoying internet communities, the Reddit/BernieBro/Tim Canova tribe of millennials is somewhat less SJWy than the insane women on Tumblr. 

Trust me, I know many, many liberal millennials male and female, and while all are socially progressive, almost zero are anywhere near as insane as all of those people constantly ranting about cultural misappropriation on tumblr.

[izixs]

The neo-liberal wing is definitely adopting some SJW language but I doubt they will ever go full blown SJW. A future establishment Democrat may apologize for slavery and cry about how racist America is but they probably won't come out in favor of reparations. They may say "Black Lives Matter" but they will still have the sense to punish violent criminals regardless of race.

Alternatively, on the left, there will be no prominent Democrats supporting single payer health care, state funded college tuition, or high taxes on the rich WITHOUT ALSO SUPPORTING reparations, quotas, open borders, etc.

To be fair, NOBODY outside of like Tumblr, Chris Hayes, and black people actually support reparations in practice, even the most strident social progressives.

Agree with the immigration piece.

Maybe I'm naive, but I wish we had multimember districts and IRV in the US, because I dream of a yellow right-wing liberal party (that eventually becomes somewhat marginalized), a blue centrist traditionalist party, and a red social democratic party

Tumblr will be the people running the left-wing of the Democrat Party in the future. That's my point. Who else would it be?

On the subject of annoying internet communities, the Reddit/BernieBro/Tim Canova tribe of millennials is somewhat less SJWy than the insane women on Tumblr. 

Trust me, I know many, many liberal millennials male and female, and while all are socially progressive, almost zero are anywhere near as insane as all of those people constantly ranting about cultural misappropriation on tumblr.

The super extreme tumblr folks are the equivalent of a small mic holding Ann Coulter of the left. Not very relevant to the wider movements of the Democratic party outside of those using them as a reason to hate those on the left, like Coulter is used as a reason to hate the right on the left.

[Famous Mortimer]

I think you seriously underestimate the Tumblerites. First, they are very strong numbers wise. They don't need to be 50% of the population to be mayor players in the Democratic Party. They just need to be like 5-10% and be especially politically active. Second, a lot of people on the left who disagree with just never challenge them because they don't want to be socially ostracized.

[Boston Bread]

Using Tumblr as evidence that SJWs will dominate the left is like using reddit as evidence that the left will reject SJWism. Either way you're talking about a bubble that is insignificant on its own.