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« Reply #125 on: April 14, 2016, 09:26:37 PM »

This is weird. Sanders is doing much better IMO than Clinton on foreign policy! Just a flat out weird debate!

Clinton is particularly bad on foreign policy. Her hawkish interventionism has proved a disaster for 2 decades.
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« Reply #126 on: April 14, 2016, 09:28:08 PM »

We do our allies a disservice when we are afraid to call them out. Not saying that Israel was disproportionate in its response when you believe it was helps no one.
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« Reply #127 on: April 14, 2016, 09:30:40 PM »

I remember how people were so against Bernie in that NBC Debate on his foreign policy stuff. But Clinton has failed massively today in foreign policy - There are some 90s weird responses without answering the questions.

Bernie has done surprisingly well & has looked surprisingly strong on foreign policy!
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« Reply #128 on: April 14, 2016, 09:32:09 PM »

Bernie has done surprisingly well & has looked surprisingly strong on foreign policy!

Please stop this.
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« Reply #129 on: April 14, 2016, 09:33:00 PM »

Sanders did well on foreign policy this time around. Not-as-strong 1st Half counters this.
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« Reply #130 on: April 14, 2016, 09:34:24 PM »


Decisively Clinton.
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« Reply #131 on: April 14, 2016, 09:34:29 PM »

It astounds me that people listen to Sanders and actually believe he will achieve anything. This ideological purity stuff is just such bullish-t.

It astounds me that anyone can believe anything that Clinton says.

In 2040 when a child will view this...

You expect children to read the Atlas forum in 2040?  Sounds like a post-apocalyptic nightmare.
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« Reply #132 on: April 14, 2016, 09:34:52 PM »

Can't call him him antisemitic though I'm sure the AIPAC traitors will call him self-loathing.
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« Reply #133 on: April 14, 2016, 09:35:04 PM »

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« Reply #134 on: April 14, 2016, 09:35:19 PM »

We do our allies a disservice when we are afraid to call them out. Not saying that Israel was disproportionate in its response when you believe it was helps no one.

There was also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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« Reply #135 on: April 14, 2016, 09:35:30 PM »

Sanders did well on foreign policy this time around. Not-as-strong 1st Half counters this.

He was floundering.  Every time Hillary spoke she talked about her personal relationships with foreign leaders and achievements on the global stage.  All Bernie had was a couple of prepared lines that he repeated over and over.  How many times did he say "you barely mentioned Palestine when you spoke at AIPAC"?  He had his bumper-sticker lines and equivocating stances.  Hillary had depth to spare.
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« Reply #136 on: April 14, 2016, 09:36:30 PM »

Sanders is the best candidate we've had on Israel in a long time.
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« Reply #137 on: April 14, 2016, 09:37:53 PM »

Sanders did well on foreign policy this time around. Not-as-strong 1st Half counters this.

He was floundering.  Every time Hillary spoke she talked about her personal relationships with foreign leaders and achievements on the global stage.  All Bernie had was a couple of prepared lines that he repeated over and over.  How many times did he say "you barely mentioned Palestine when you spoke at AIPAC"?  He had his bumper-sticker lines and equivocating stances.  Hillary had depth to spare.

Except he was actually the one answering the questions. You do realize Clinton has been using that tactic to avoid answering every single question during this debate?
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« Reply #138 on: April 14, 2016, 09:40:13 PM »

Sanders did well on foreign policy this time around. Not-as-strong 1st Half counters this.

He was floundering.  Every time Hillary spoke she talked about her personal relationships with foreign leaders and achievements on the global stage.  All Bernie had was a couple of prepared lines that he repeated over and over.  How many times did he say "you barely mentioned Palestine when you spoke at AIPAC"?  He had his bumper-sticker lines and equivocating stances.  Hillary had depth to spare.

Clinton's achievements were mentioned explicitly as a dodge to Sanders' questions to her. She wouldn't state that Israel went too far in Gaza in murdering thousands of Palestinian civilians, instead remarking on Hamas missiles. It looked to me that Sanders looked stronger and fairer on that front.
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« Reply #139 on: April 14, 2016, 09:43:19 PM »

This is the new Sanders thing.  Because Clinton gives a nuanced answer instead of just bluntly saying yes/no without adding any depth or thought to it, she "didn't answer the question."  He's done it at least ten times this debate.  Now I see his supporters have picked up on it.

On the Israel thing, she spent a good two minutes delivering her answer.  Just because it wasn't a simple yes/no answer to a very complex question doesn't mean she dodged the question.
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« Reply #140 on: April 14, 2016, 09:43:28 PM »

This is weird. Sanders is doing much better IMO than Clinton on foreign policy! Just a flat out weird debate!

Anyone who looks very carefully at her foreign policy realizes Bernie is better there. See Tulsi Gabbard.
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« Reply #141 on: April 14, 2016, 09:44:41 PM »

This is a cage match. I really don't think Sanders and Clinton like each other at all....Clinton is clearly frustrated by Sanders and his near relentless attacks on her records.

He has been going after her directly non-stop. This is brutal.

Clinton could solve this problem by simply answering questions directly.
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« Reply #142 on: April 14, 2016, 09:44:47 PM »

Tulsi Gabbard is pretty much a huge hawk, so I don't know why people seem to think anything to the contrary.
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« Reply #143 on: April 14, 2016, 09:45:15 PM »

Clinton struggling on the debt and her ever-changing positions.
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« Reply #144 on: April 14, 2016, 09:45:19 PM »

Clinton folks think Clinton is winning, Sanders folks think he's winning. What a surprise! I wonder if that pattern is holding for voters in New York...
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« Reply #145 on: April 14, 2016, 09:46:18 PM »

This is the new Sanders thing.  Because Clinton gives a nuanced answer instead of just bluntly saying yes/no without adding any depth or thought to it, she "didn't answer the question."  He's done it at least ten times this debate.  Now I see his supporters have picked up on it.

On the Israel thing, she spent a good two minutes delivering her answer.  Just because it wasn't a simple yes/no answer to a very complex question doesn't mean she dodged the question.

There's a difference between nuanced and dodging. What Clinton is engaging is anything but nuance, it is a long and winding tale to distract from anyone realizing that she didn't actual answer a single question.
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« Reply #146 on: April 14, 2016, 09:47:09 PM »

Nice dig at Sanders' lack of support for Democratic congressional candidates there...
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« Reply #147 on: April 14, 2016, 09:49:36 PM »

What Clinton is engaging is anything but nuance

(not true, by the way)

Did you listen to her touching on some specifics of the geopolitics of energy in Europe? Sanders never touched anything that obscure and informed tonight. On the environment in particular she was way more nuanced than Sanders.
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« Reply #148 on: April 14, 2016, 09:50:26 PM »

Sanders: "The General Electric" matchup polls...
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« Reply #149 on: April 14, 2016, 09:50:42 PM »

Good answers from both on that last question.
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