Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake for a Nazi wedding?

[dead0man]

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[afleitch]

enjoy

What's a Nazi wedding?

[dead0man]

I would assume, if we're talking 2016 'murica, it would be a Nazi themed wedding.  Lots of swastikas, black boots and Charlie Chaplin mustaches.  Red and black would be the colors.

Something like this would be the cake

obviously you want to adjust the names and dates to fit.

Or maybe cherry cream?



wait, was that just a set up to a joke I don't know?....Nazi wedding.....not see wet...ting?..no...What's a Nazi wedding....hmmmm.....I don't get it, tell me the punch line!  <waits patiently>

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.

[angus]

Black Forest cake might be more appropriate?

[dead0man]

I think they like to be called Forest cake of color now.

[Goldwater]

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but my namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever.

[Clark Kent]

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but by namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever.

[Make America Neoliberal Again]

Political allegiance isn't a protected class, nor should it be.

[SWE]

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but by namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever.

Clark Kent was involved in the debate over the Civil Rights Act?

[Blair]

Yes of course....

[Oldiesfreak1854]

No.  And a Christian baker shouldn't be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Let me put it this way: if a homosexual couple asks for a wedding cake from a Christian baker, and the baker refuses, then I'm OK with it, because preparing the cake would endorse/condone something that violates the baker's religious beliefs.  But if the homosexual couple in question simply asks for a dozen donuts and the baker refuses, then that would clearly be discrimination.  Providing donuts, cookies, etc. for an LGBT couple is different from baking a wedding cake for them, because one violated the baker's religious beliefs, and the other does not. 

Simply put: if the requested service violates a specific tenet of the merchant's religious beliefs, then they should be allowed to refuse.  But if it's a simple service like a dozen donuts, cookies, etc., or a simple meal, or something of that sort, then they should not be allowed to discriminate.

I think they like to be called Forest cake of color now.

No, they're African American Forest cakes.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.

Translation: business owners should be allowed to ban blacks from their businesses.

Nice try, but I would argue that any business that provides a service to people is by definition public, and therefore can be regulated by the government.  It doesn't have to be government owned for the government to pass laws regarding their conduct.

[Kingpoleon]

No.

Wait, a gay Nazi wedding? Then yes.

[If you are not angry you are an ostrich]

Wait, isn't the swastika a peace symbol?

[Murica!]

The difference between a Gay wedding and a Nazi one is that denying a Nazi wedding is a matter of free speech and not flat out discrimination, and I do believe most everyone here would agree that the business owner has the right to limit free speech on the property that they have no right to own.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Services should not be required to be rendered unto anyone.

Translation: business owners should be allowed to ban blacks from their businesses.

Nice try, but I would argue that any business that provides a service to people is by definition public, and therefore can be regulated by the government.  It doesn't have to be government owned for the government to pass laws regarding their conduct.

Just to clarify, it's services not products. And it has to be services that need to be done at-will. (This does not extend to housing obviously.) I can understand some disagreement there though, but I think that's a fair line.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Political allegiance isn't a protected class, nor should it be.

[Derpist]

They should be required to sell cakes to Nazis, but they cannot be forced to put a Swastika or anything Nazi on the cake.

[Mr. Morden]

This is apparently the issue that will prevent Gary Johnson from getting the Libertarian presidential nomination:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/gary-johnson-jewish-bakers-should-be-forced-to-bake-nazi-cakes/

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I say let this guy figure it out. (I know he's dead)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burton_Joseph

[Old School Republican]

Yes any small business should have the right to deny services to any people they want for whatever reason.

[Leinad]

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason

Yeah, I'd say this, but I'd encourage private citizens to protest discrimination.

I hate both discrimination and government forcing people to do things they don't want to do, because both are disasterous to society, but I don't think we have to choose between one or the other. Bigotry will still exist if there are laws against it, and societal pressure is a more powerful tool for shaping cultural attitudes towards things than government action ever will be.

I'm just opposed to the idea that government needs to actively punish something simply because it's "wrong," unless it's an objective crime (e.g. assault or theft--as terrible as bigotry is I don't think it counts) and I stay consistent with that admittedly "radical" conception of government. (Because I think it's correct.)

Then again...I sort of enjoy seeing people who, for so long, argued that something (marraige equality) shouldn't be allowed simply because their "morality" says it's wrong complain about getting punished because secular/objective morality says their behavior is wrong. "Shadenfreude" is the term.

[Leinad]

This is apparently the issue that will prevent Gary Johnson from getting the Libertarian presidential nomination:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/04/gary-johnson-jewish-bakers-should-be-forced-to-bake-nazi-cakes/

No, I think he'll win it anyway on his (quite impressive, even for "big party" standards) resume, but the awkwardness and moderation might hurt himself with some of the more purist vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

TBH, I think businesses should be allowed to deny service to anybody for any reason, but my namesake lost that battle over 50 years ago so whatever.

Keep swinging man, swing for the fences!