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« on: April 03, 2016, 10:48:00 PM »
« edited: April 04, 2016, 09:14:32 AM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

Video starts here https://youtu.be/gLbes6stsRI?t=400

Since people mentioned it, she's referring to Sanders' fossil fuels Donation attack, that admit tingly Sanders is wrong about
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2016, 10:54:12 PM »

I voted for her but she needs to chill. Her anger and ugly tactics are what pushed me to the Obsma camp in 08.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2016, 10:55:56 PM »

A bit of context: She was talking specifically about those who believe the attack that she has received donations from the fossil fuel industry.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2016, 11:02:23 PM »

Did you purposely leave out the end of the quote? Context is important.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2016, 11:19:59 PM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black people who believe Hillary Clinton."
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2016, 11:37:06 PM »

She seems like she is running scared even though she is clearly ahead.  It makes me worry about her ability to campaign effectively against other opposition.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2016, 11:43:45 PM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black people who believe Hillary Clinton."
I concur.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2016, 11:49:31 PM »
« Edited: April 03, 2016, 11:51:45 PM by EliteLX »

Honest question: How does literally anybody listen to Hillary Clinton talk and go

"Wow she REALLY means this, this is coming straight from the heart! I'm not being hopelessly taken advantage of from pandering politics to assemble a coalition of GE voters, no that couldn't be!"
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2016, 11:50:19 PM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black people who believe Hillary Clinton."
I concur.

Yes, Sanders and his team should definitely run with that. Totally not tone deaf or missing the point.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2016, 12:09:47 AM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black any people who believe Hillary Clinton."

FTFY...she should be tried for treason.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2016, 12:11:17 AM »

God, what a butchery of the quote. Have you no shame?
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2016, 12:14:06 AM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black any people who believe Hillary Clinton."

FTFY...she should be tried for treason war crimes.
I concur with this as well.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2016, 12:15:07 AM »

Same, same. Especially the ones who've been hoodwinked into donating to the "Buy Tad Devine a New House" fund.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2016, 01:44:23 AM »

Good luck getting them to vote for you now.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2016, 04:22:27 AM »

If anything, that clip just breathes life into the idea that she's constantly having to face manufactured bullsh-t about her record. "Answer this baseless criticism!" "Now reply to this one!"
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2016, 04:24:54 AM »

FF, I feel sorry for the kids digesting a quarter-century of Republican propaganda, too.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2016, 04:28:21 AM »

Honest question: How does literally anybody listen to Hillary Clinton talk and go

"Wow she REALLY means this, this is coming straight from the heart! I'm not being hopelessly taken advantage of from pandering politics to assemble a coalition of GE voters, no that couldn't be!"

This is literally half of the forum.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2016, 04:48:13 AM »

To the people who are squawking about context: it's not important. A good politician knows how to choose their statements so as little as possible can be pulled out of context - it's another indictment of her as a campaigner.

I don't really understand why her campaign is freaking out - as a frontrunner (especially one with a lot of proxies who can speak on her behalf) she doesn't even need to go on the negative. Negative campaigning is useful for people who are probably going to lose like Sanders or initial underdogs like Trump, not as much for people like Clints.
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2016, 05:05:56 AM »

To the people who are squawking about context: it's not important. A good politician knows how to choose their statements so as little as possible can be pulled out of context - it's another indictment of her as a campaigner.

I don't really understand why her campaign is freaking out - as a frontrunner (especially one with a lot of proxies who can speak on her behalf) she doesn't even need to go on the negative. Negative campaigning is useful for people who are probably going to lose like Sanders or initial underdogs like Trump, not as much for people like Clints.

If they stopped going negative what would they have to do? David Brock would get really bored.
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2016, 05:34:47 AM »

She's saying she feels sorry for young people who believe his lies that she's too close to the fossil fuel industries. She's right, and I agree with her: Bernie is selling snake oil to these naive college kiddies who obviously are "resonating" with his message of free college, free pot, free everything! Most younger voters are more moved by fancy speeches and empty rhetoric than impressive resumes with experience and substance (see 2008 for a reference). That's why they're going so strongly for Bernie: they like hearing terms like revolution, free this, free that, and are turned off by Hillary because she speaks like a policy wonk and lays out the details. I heard a coworker of mine once say, "Of course the younger voters are going to vote for Bernie. He's saying what they want to hear and she's not."

Regarding the biased title of this thread, she also made the same case in 2008 about how Obama was promising things that weren't going to be achieved (to "end politics as usual" and break the partisan gridlock in Washington, bring the two sides together, end the lobbyists' and special interests' influences, everybody hold hands and sing Kumbaya and get along, etc.), and she was right. Obama himself has even acknowledged this. Trump and Sanders, the two allegedly outsider candidates, are both promising their supporters things that won't happen: the wall along the border with Mexico paying for it, deporting illegals, banning Muslims for Trump, universal single-payer health care, tuition-free college for Sanders. Hillary understands that the next president is probably going to be handed a divided government with a Republican House and a Democratic Senate with a thin majority. She's making a valid point: how can a President Bernie Sanders realistically expect to get his socialist agenda through Congress when one branch is basically controlled by the Tea Party/fringe right-wing Republican extremists? A Speaker Paul Ryan and a Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (should the Republicans be so lucky as to maintain their majority in the upper chamber) would obstruct every single one of a President Sanders's objectives. Look how obstructionist they have been to the black socialist in office now, wait until they get a real socialist in there and see how they would react.

Of course, I'll be called a Hillary hack, shrill, troll whatever for mentioning this and defending her, but it's true. If people would actually stop and listen to what she says instead of dissecting her words and distorting her statements, perhaps they would reach more positive conclusions regarding her comments. But no, the Sandernistas and the media want to turn everything she says into a big ole controversy because controversy makes headlines and headlines get people engaged. The difference in myself and Hillary is that I DON'T feel sorry for young people who are believing his empty promises. As a 22-year-old in 2008, I didn't believe Obama when he said he was going to usher in this new big thing called HOPE and CHANGE, and turns out I was right. Hillary knows how Washington works and knows how to get things done. Young people really need to take elections more seriously, but they don't because it's not as fun as posting on Facebook and taking selfies.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2016, 06:02:41 AM »

She's saying she feels sorry for young people who believe his lies that she's too close to the fossil fuel industries. She's right, and I agree with her: Bernie is selling snake oil to these naive college kiddies who obviously are "resonating" with his message of free college, free pot, free everything! Most younger voters are more moved by fancy speeches and empty rhetoric than impressive resumes with experience and substance (see 2008 for a reference). That's why they're going so strongly for Bernie: they like hearing terms like revolution, free this, free that, and are turned off by Hillary because she speaks like a policy wonk and lays out the details. I heard a coworker of mine once say, "Of course the younger voters are going to vote for Bernie. He's saying what they want to hear and she's not."

You and your candidate just ooze contempt for those who don't support her.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2016, 06:08:39 AM »

She's saying she feels sorry for young people who believe his lies that she's too close to the fossil fuel industries. She's right, and I agree with her: Bernie is selling snake oil to these naive college kiddies who obviously are "resonating" with his message of free college, free pot, free everything! Most younger voters are more moved by fancy speeches and empty rhetoric than impressive resumes with experience and substance (see 2008 for a reference). That's why they're going so strongly for Bernie: they like hearing terms like revolution, free this, free that, and are turned off by Hillary because she speaks like a policy wonk and lays out the details. I heard a coworker of mine once say, "Of course the younger voters are going to vote for Bernie. He's saying what they want to hear and she's not."

You and your candidate just ooze contempt for those who don't support her.

Judging by you they richly deserve it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2016, 06:14:33 AM »

The fact that she singled out young people in particular makes me like her less.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2016, 06:41:26 AM »

Damn a lot of the Bernie supporters in this thread sound like right-wing idiots.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2016, 06:58:50 AM »

Maybe it's time someone said "I feel sorry for black people who believe Hillary Clinton."

This.

FTFY...she should be tried for treason.

And this.

Good luck getting them to vote for you now.

And this.

Nice job, Hillary...
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