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« on: June 21, 2016, 10:33:23 PM »

They will give them the ability to appeal to a broader part of the electorate. The United States will see an increase of the Hispanic population by 50% by 2050. I believe the Republican Party has to make significant changes in order to adapt to changing demographics in the country.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 11:29:35 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 11:34:34 PM »

They did, just not the way the consultant class was suggesting.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 09:47:16 AM »

They did, just not the way the consultant class was suggesting.

*They* haven't changed anything in the platform.

As far as what I know you're trying to say, they also didn't do it in the way that will, ya know, work.

Thankfully, as more and more people gain access to a college education, the "working class White" vote will decline in share, and hopefully fewer and fewer people will be susceptible to Trumpism.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 11:31:20 AM »

When will they go to their platforms before 1960s, during the Eisenhower years?
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 12:02:37 PM »

When will they go to their platforms before 1960s, during the Eisenhower years?

Seeing as it is not before the 1960s, and is in fact several decades later with different issues, a different environment, different voters and different world events, I'd hope we're not QUITE that dumb.

A "modern Eisenhower" who saves the GOP will only be like him in the sense that he's more moderate than the party's conservative base (which has always existed).
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 12:04:43 PM »

There is no hope for the GOP.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 01:08:35 PM »


Until Trump supporters are replaced with people who used to vote Republican 15 years ago, I agree.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 01:09:00 PM »

Um yes on Immigration Reform.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2016, 01:17:33 PM »


Until Trump supporters are replaced with people who used to vote Republican 15 years ago, I agree.
I don't think the GOP is that different than it was 15 years ago. Certainly Bush W. was a better candidate in 2000 than Trump is now. Anyways, maybe before Reagan the GOP was different. You still had Republican Congressman from the Northeast during Reagan's Presidency. I think the GOP still had majority of the US House Congressional Delegation in Connecticut before the 2006 mid-terms and that was just 10 years ago! US House Races in Connecticut were plenty competitive during the 1990's-mid 2000's period.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 02:39:07 PM »

Either the GOP changes its party platform, or they will become the new Whigs and the Libertarians or a new party is formed.

The country cannot survive with a one party system.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 03:17:45 PM »

Guys, the GOP isn't going anywhere. There was a time in the 1930s when the Republicans were objectively far worse off than they are now (only 16 Senate seats, 88 House seats, and coming off two landslide losses in a row to FDR, not including the additional two successful midterms the party had had) and many pundits proclaimed the party extinct. If we survived that, we can survive Trump.

That being said, the platform will have to change. Yes, adopting a Trumpist platform might get us by for a while, but we're going to be a majority-minority country soon. There's a point in time where you run out of white voters to rack up margins with, and if we haven't passed that point already we will very soon.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2016, 05:30:48 PM »

Guys, the GOP isn't going anywhere. There was a time in the 1930s when the Republicans were objectively far worse off than they are now (only 16 Senate seats, 88 House seats, and coming off two landslide losses in a row to FDR, not including the additional two successful midterms the party had had) and many pundits proclaimed the party extinct. If we survived that, we can survive Trump.

That being said, the platform will have to change. Yes, adopting a Trumpist platform might get us by for a while, but we're going to be a majority-minority country soon. There's a point in time where you run out of white voters to rack up margins with, and if we haven't passed that point already we will very soon.
I agree. We are basically guaranteed to hold the majority of governorships (unless a bunch switch affiliations, which is unlikely), have a 90%+ chance at holding the House, and about a 50-50 chance of holding the Senate. And even if we lose the Senate, we're very likely gaining seats in 2018. I agree, if the GOP survived the 1930's, it's surviving Trump. A Trumpist platform would have worked until maybe the end of the last century, but the thing is, Whites are by far the least monolithic race, and are set to become a minority in the near future. What the GOP needs to do is have strong leadership, move closer to the center (socially, mainly), while maintaining the groups that they currently dominate in their coalition. Democrats seem to have done well with large coalitions 50 state strategies (2006 and 2008) lately, so why can't the GOP do that as well?
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2016, 01:18:29 PM »

Guys, the GOP isn't going anywhere. There was a time in the 1930s when the Republicans were objectively far worse off than they are now (only 16 Senate seats, 88 House seats, and coming off two landslide losses in a row to FDR, not including the additional two successful midterms the party had had) and many pundits proclaimed the party extinct. If we survived that, we can survive Trump.

That being said, the platform will have to change. Yes, adopting a Trumpist platform might get us by for a while, but we're going to be a majority-minority country soon. There's a point in time where you run out of white voters to rack up margins with, and if we haven't passed that point already we will very soon.
I agree. We are basically guaranteed to hold the majority of governorships (unless a bunch switch affiliations, which is unlikely), have a 90%+ chance at holding the House, and about a 50-50 chance of holding the Senate. And even if we lose the Senate, we're very likely gaining seats in 2018. I agree, if the GOP survived the 1930's, it's surviving Trump. A Trumpist platform would have worked until maybe the end of the last century, but the thing is, Whites are by far the least monolithic race, and are set to become a minority in the near future. What the GOP needs to do is have strong leadership, move closer to the center (socially, mainly), while maintaining the groups that they currently dominate in their coalition. Democrats seem to have done well with large coalitions 50 state strategies (2006 and 2008) lately, so why can't the GOP do that as well?
Everybody says Demographics, Demographics but Demographics were the same in the 2014 Mid-terms as they were in the 2008 Presidential Election.  I will grant the 2008 Presidential Election was a huge Dem year and 2014 was a Republican year. Even with 2012 Demographics the GOP would have won the 2014 Congressional House Vote by 5 points but not the 7 points that they won it by(per Sean Trende of Real Clear Politics Article written on November 19th, 2014.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2016, 02:05:17 PM »

"Adjust?" Talk about understatements...
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2016, 02:18:53 PM »

By all means, with the way the GOP is running, I'm going to start calling them the Whig Party.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2016, 06:24:22 PM »

"Adjust?" Talk about understatements...

Yes, the GOP has become comfortably numb about casually ignoring what Americans actually want.  It's like they've gone from being the party of "better" ideas to the party of "no ideas" to the party of "anti" ideas.  They oppose ideas just because Democrats support them.  No real logical reason given.  It is almost like they are pro-bad things just because the Democrats have an idea of how to fix the bad thing.  You see this everywhere from healthcare policy to the Confederate flag to gay people having rights to yeah you get the picture.  It is almost like they are saying that people who have a problem with racism, poor healthcare, strong pay for workers, protections for rape victims, are awful people who should stop whining about that sort of thing and focus on the "real" issues.

The lunatics are in the halls of Congress.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2016, 10:45:29 AM »

Absolutely!  I think the Republican Party has the potential to be electorally successful over the next 20 to 30 years if they switch back to the platform they had before the conservative resurgence of the 1980s that came with Ronald Reagan. The Millennial generation will make up a significant portion of the electorate after 2024. If they can appeal to that voting bloc then I think they can give the Democratic Party a run for their money. By nominating a socially liberal and economically leaning conservative person such as Brian Sandoval, they can spearhead a successful re-alignment.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2016, 10:57:08 AM »

"Adjust?" Talk about understatements...

Yes, the GOP has become comfortably numb about casually ignoring what Americans actually want.  It's like they've gone from being the party of "better" ideas to the party of "no ideas" to the party of "anti" ideas.  They oppose ideas just because Democrats support them.  No real logical reason given.  It is almost like they are pro-bad things just because the Democrats have an idea of how to fix the bad thing.  You see this everywhere from healthcare policy to the Confederate flag to gay people having rights to yeah you get the picture.  It is almost like they are saying that people who have a problem with racism, poor healthcare, strong pay for workers, protections for rape victims, are awful people who should stop whining about that sort of thing and focus on the "real" issues.

The lunatics are in the halls of Congress.

PR with the usual brilliant commentary void of bias.

Anyway, sadly I agree with you (except for the Confederate Flag issue, which was literally entirely brought down by Republicans, even if it took a tragedy ... not like "civil rights heroes" JFK and LBJ acted on anything until after a tragedy).  Frankly, the Democrats' policy ideas aren't all that great, they haven't helped any of the minority voters they swear to stand by, they are clunkily managed and they're the same, tired "tax the rich" solutions they've had for years, and what is the GOP's response?  Absolutely nothing of substance and even actively offending the very minority voters - especially those that aren't poor - that should absolutely be in play by now.

A moderate Republican - or even an articulate conservative like Ryan, IMO - would be mopping the floor with Hillary right now, and we nominated Donald Trump to make a point that our leaders in Washington were p*ssing "us" off because they weren't crazy enough.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2016, 04:11:13 PM »

"Adjust?" Talk about understatements...

Yes, the GOP has become comfortably numb about casually ignoring what Americans actually want.  It's like they've gone from being the party of "better" ideas to the party of "no ideas" to the party of "anti" ideas.  They oppose ideas just because Democrats support them.  No real logical reason given.  It is almost like they are pro-bad things just because the Democrats have an idea of how to fix the bad thing.  You see this everywhere from healthcare policy to the Confederate flag to gay people having rights to yeah you get the picture.  It is almost like they are saying that people who have a problem with racism, poor healthcare, strong pay for workers, protections for rape victims, are awful people who should stop whining about that sort of thing and focus on the "real" issues.

The lunatics are in the halls of Congress.
There is always going to be racists because a small number of people are close-minded unfortunately.

As far as ObamaCare goes its approval rating is in the 40's and has been since the policy passed in Early 2010.

Neither party has really good ideas right now in my opinion.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2016, 04:14:26 PM »

Either the GOP changes its party platform, or they will become the new Whigs and the Libertarians or a new party is formed.

The country cannot survive with a one party system.
The GOP is not dieing anytime soon. The Dems have lost a lot of state legislative bodies, governorships, and the US House since Obama has been President.
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