Democratic Freak States Holy Saturday results thread (1st caucuses begin @1pmET)

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What is with these _9.9% wins?

Ugh.

[Wiz in Wis]

The rest of Hawaiʻi's numbers are in:
Sanders 69.8%, 23,530 votes, 17 delegates
Clinton 30.0%, 10,125 votes, 8 delegates
(33,716 total, 100%)

70-30 , 17-8 split. If he would be getting 71-72 depending on CD's he would have likely got 18-7.

Finally I think we will have -
WA - 74-27
AK - 13-3
HI - 17-8

Net - 66 Delegates

Not Bad - 104 to 38 out out of 142 is pretty damn good!

So... WA, HI, AK, ID, and UT = FL + AZ for Hillary. Bernies best states are now almost all done. Yeah.

[Shadows]

The rest of Hawaiʻi's numbers are in:
Sanders 69.8%, 23,530 votes, 17 delegates
Clinton 30.0%, 10,125 votes, 8 delegates
(33,716 total, 100%)

70-30 , 17-8 split. If he would be getting 71-72 depending on CD's he would have likely got 18-7.

Finally I think we will have -
WA - 74-27
AK - 13-3
HI - 17-8

Net - 66 Delegates

Not Bad - 104 to 38 out out of 142 is pretty damn good!

So... WA, HI, AK, ID, and UT = FL + AZ for Hillary. Bernies best states are now almost all done. Yeah.

No Hillary falls 20 short. AZ was a small victory, 13 net delegates if I am not wrong.

Bernie has several strong to very strong states - Almost a half a dozen left & atleast another half where he will do very well & could win - You are best served by not politicizing every small post & try 1 up-man-ship. It is ridiculous banter & un-necessary

[Tender Branson]

I assume the 33.716 votes in HI are actual votes and not precinct delegates or something ?

34K actual votes and they had to delay the results for 8 hours ?

WTF ? How incompetent are the election workers in HI ?

Or did Debbie Wasserman Schultz board a plane from FL to HI and took with her another 10.000 ballots pre-filled-out for Hillary so that Bernie doesn't get 80%+ there as well ?

[Xing]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!

The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

[Figueira]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!

The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Beautiful! The good people of the West Coast clearly know better than those dumbasses in the East or the inland! Also, yeah, the "Bernie can only win Whites" bullsh*t can finally rest in peace.

Won't change anything in the end, but it's still worth taking.

[ProudModerate2]

Those were some impressive wins (all 3 states).
Congrats to Bernie.

[cwt]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!

The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

In Washington, he won Asians in Seattle and Latinos in Yakima.
 

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Any results from Hawaii by county?

[YaBoyNY]

Sad news from the West Coast. Thankfully they'll redeem themselves by handing Clinton some resounding victories in November.

[Ebsy]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!

The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

In Washington, he won Asians in Seattle and Latinos in Yakima.
 

I'll just say that all three groups were probably barely present at the caucus sites.

[Xing]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!

The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

In Washington, he won Asians in Seattle and Latinos in Yakima.
 

I'll just say that all three groups were probably barely present at the caucus sites.

[citation needed]

[Alcon]

Here's the citation:

In 2008, white caucus voters in Yakima County outnumbered Hispanic voters 83%-15%.

Precinct 1930 and 1932, "both one of the most Asian areas of Seattle," have whites outnumbering Asian as registered voters by a margin of 58%-23% (in other words, under a quarter Asian).  That are definitely way more Asian precincts in Seattle than these two, but nonetheless, the Asian population is way underrepresented among voters and even moreso among caucus attendees.  When it comes to 2008 caucusgoers, whites outnumbered Asians in these two precincts by a margin of 85% to 6%.

The point I'm making: be wary of extreme mismatches between an area's demographic make-up (especially when it's self-reported by some randomer) and the actual turnout of the vote you're looking at.  Maybe minority turnout was up huge in these areas since 2008 -- but I think it's much more likely that the caucusgoers there were overwhelmingly white.

[catographer]

Here's the citation:

In 2008, white caucus voters in Yakima County outnumbered Hispanic voters 83%-15%.

Precinct 1930 and 1932, "both one of the most Asian areas of Seattle," have whites outnumbering Asian as registered voters by a margin of 58%-23% (in other words, under a quarter Asian).  That are definitely way more Asian precincts in Seattle than these two, but nonetheless, the Asian population is way underrepresented among voters and even moreso among caucus attendees.  When it comes to 2008 caucusgoers, whites outnumbered Asians in these two precincts by a margin of 85% to 6%.

The point I'm making: be wary of extreme mismatches between an area's demographic make-up (especially when it's self-reported by some randomer) and the actual turnout of the vote you're looking at.  Maybe minority turnout was up huge in these areas since 2008 -- but I think it's much more likely that the caucusgoers there were overwhelmingly white.

You're very much correct. Also since these were caucuses (all of these landslide Sanders wins were caucuses), the demographics are not broken down by exit polls.

[Xing]

Here's the citation:

In 2008, white caucus voters in Yakima County outnumbered Hispanic voters 83%-15%.

Precinct 1930 and 1932, "both one of the most Asian areas of Seattle," have whites outnumbering Asian as registered voters by a margin of 58%-23% (in other words, under a quarter Asian).  That are definitely way more Asian precincts in Seattle than these two, but nonetheless, the Asian population is way underrepresented among voters and even moreso among caucus attendees.  When it comes to 2008 caucusgoers, whites outnumbered Asians in these two precincts by a margin of 85% to 6%.

The point I'm making: be wary of extreme mismatches between an area's demographic make-up (especially when it's self-reported by some randomer) and the actual turnout of the vote you're looking at.  Maybe minority turnout was up huge in these areas since 2008 -- but I think it's much more likely that the caucusgoers there were overwhelmingly white.

Since those aren't 2016 statistics, we still can't be sure that they apply to this year. The point is, some minorities did turn out, and, based on Sanders' sweeping win, were probably solidly for Sanders. Also, I doubt that caucusgoers in Hawaii were overwhelmingly white, considering the demographics of the state.

[catographer]

Hey I have a question for you guys. How different do you think the results in Oregon will be from Washington? Washington was an open caucus in an Obama 68% state. Oregon is a closed primary in an Obama 58% state. Will Clinton get under 60% in Oregon? I feel like Oregon results shouldn't differ by more than 20 points from it's neighbors Idaho and Washington, but since it's so different in rules then Clinton may do substantially better (while still losing probably).

[Xing]

Hey I have a question for you guys. How different do you think the results in Oregon will be from Washington? Washington was an open caucus in an Obama 68% state. Oregon is a closed primary in an Obama 58% state. Will Clinton get under 60% in Oregon? I feel like Oregon results shouldn't differ by more than 20 points from it's neighbors Idaho and Washington, but since it's so different in rules then Clinton may do substantially better (while still losing probably).

Do you mean will Sanders do worse than 60%? It think Sanders has potential to improve on Obama's numbers in Oregon, since he's very popular there, as well. He won't do quite as well as he did in Washington, since it's a closed primary, but I could see him winning 62-38 or so.

[catographer]

Yes I meant Sanders under 60%

[ProudModerate2]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!
The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

In Washington, he won Asians in Seattle and Latinos in Yakima.

I have heard very, very little of anyone or any major news outlet describing Sanders as a "racist old coot."
Or anything related to racism, bigotry, etc.
trump yes .... Sanders no.
I'm quite shocked to see your statement here.

[Xing]

Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide too!? B-b-b-but I thought minorities hated that racist old coot!
The sweep is complete! Glorious day for Sanders!

He also appears to have won Alaska Natives.

In Washington, he won Asians in Seattle and Latinos in Yakima.

I have heard very, very little of anyone or any major news outlet describing Sanders as a "racist old coot."
Or anything related to racism, bigotry, etc.
trump yes .... Sanders no.
I'm quite shocked to see your statement here.

I was being facetious, but there is this idea promoted by some that the Sanders campaign only cares about white people, and that obviously only white people vote for him.

[Alcon]

Here's the citation:

In 2008, white caucus voters in Yakima County outnumbered Hispanic voters 83%-15%.

Precinct 1930 and 1932, "both one of the most Asian areas of Seattle," have whites outnumbering Asian as registered voters by a margin of 58%-23% (in other words, under a quarter Asian).  That are definitely way more Asian precincts in Seattle than these two, but nonetheless, the Asian population is way underrepresented among voters and even moreso among caucus attendees.  When it comes to 2008 caucusgoers, whites outnumbered Asians in these two precincts by a margin of 85% to 6%.

The point I'm making: be wary of extreme mismatches between an area's demographic make-up (especially when it's self-reported by some randomer) and the actual turnout of the vote you're looking at.  Maybe minority turnout was up huge in these areas since 2008 -- but I think it's much more likely that the caucusgoers there were overwhelmingly white.

Since those aren't 2016 statistics, we still can't be sure that they apply to this year. The point is, some minorities did turn out, and, based on Sanders' sweeping win, were probably solidly for Sanders. Also, I doubt that caucusgoers in Hawaii were overwhelmingly white, considering the demographics of the state.

I agree that caucusgoers in Hawaii are probably not overwhelmingly white, but too many extrapolations are happening in this thread.  Do you think it's reasonable to assume those precincts went from 6% Asian in 2008 to being a good metric of the Asian vote in 2016? I don't at all.   That area is getting more white, if anything, and I see no reason to assume Asian turnout skyrocketed.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Hispanic turnout in Yakima was up -- the population is growing, and Sanders held a rally in the middle of Yakima -- it's still probably hard to draw inferences in the final numbers if they were like 20% of the turnout (up from 15%).  Let's say Yakima County Hispanics were 20% of Yakima County turnout and split 50%-50% between Clinton and Sanders.  Assuming that the delegate allocation reflects the final vote, Sanders getting 75.7% would require him winning Yakima whites with about 82%.  That seems high to me -- I suspect he did win Hispanics -- but he hit the low 80's in several Eastern Washington counties, and Hispanic turnout may not have hit 20%, so we can't be sure.

It is pretty unlikely to imagine Sanders almost hit 80% in Franklin County without winning a majority of Hispanics there, to be fair.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

County results for Hawaii?

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It's sort of suspicious. Can anybody say "Voter fraud"?

[ProgressiveCanadian]

It's sort of suspicious. Can anybody say "Voter fraud"?

No one is saying that LOL.