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« on: March 07, 2016, 12:50:51 PM »

No matter how much you guys want to put me into the "racist/sexist" corner - it doesn't work. It didn't work over the past year and it doesn't work now. Because I simply am not.

I didn't say Blacks "do not have the agency to make their own choices" (that's how you put it).

I said Blacks have an unnecessary Hillary-fetish for some reason and vote for her 85-15, which is unexplainable considering Sanders has roughly the same policies regarding Blacks and other minorities than Hillary. In that sense, Blacks are virtually discriminating Bernie with their silly pro-Hillary voting, which she earns by no means. Much like the stupid superdelegates, who are also lining up behind her for no obvious reason ...

I doubt this will be all that persuasive to Tender, but just off the top of my head, here are a list of reasons why I would imagine African Americans would heavily lean towards Clinton. I'm sure there are other reasons as well, and as I am not an African American, I don't presuppose to know them all.

1) Hillary worked for Obama, after an acrimonious primary, which shows that she is loyal to him, and by extension, get's kudos from his strongest base of support.
2) Hillary has a long history, from the Children's defense fund, through Arkansas, FLOTUS, and Senator from New York, in maintaining and growing her relationship with the African American community. She is comfortable among them. She know's their struggle better than Bernie does, and it shows.
3) She has tended a long list of African American leaders who have endorsed her, largely because she was worked with them for decades. This includes Dozens of African American elected officials in Congress, and at the state and local level. John Lewis, Jim Clyburn, Gwen Moore, Barbara Lee, Hakeem Jeffries, Marcia Fudge. Bernie has no equivalent proxies. Killer Mike and Kieth Ellison are not enough to offset the massive institutional support among trusted Black leaders that Clinton has earned.
4) The African American community is more tightly organized in terms of political action than most white groups, so activating large numbers of African Americans to vote is easier, since they tend to be more concentrated politically. I'm sure Bernie would do better among African American non-voters, but they don't vote... so...
5) African Americans tend to be more moderate, ideologically.
6) African Americans tend to be more interested in tangible, transactional politics, not Campaign Finance Reform or regulating big banks.
7) Hillary's positions are not that different than Bernie's on most issues. She's slightly more moderate. That's where they are too.
8 ) African Americans are more pragmatic. They see Clinton as the more pragmatic choice.
9) African Americans are often overlooked by white movements. They see Bernie's college aged champions as just the latest in a long line of white liberals who seem completely uninterested in talking about racial privilege.
10) Bernie is 74 years old. He's running for president now. They maybe wonder where the hell he's been for 50 years. In that time, he's been pretty much entirely in Vermont. So, the fact that he has to dig up pictures from the 60s to show he gives a damn about black voters is actually a negative. He comes off as a Johnny come lately on race.
11) African Americans are loyal Democrats. They are loyal to the party that gave them the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, and President Obama. Bernie has been a independent socialist from VT until last year. Why should the most loyal party supporters reward him for just showing up.
12) They think Hillary will win. They care about winning, not throwing a tantrum.

And I'm sure there are many other reasons. You just don't like them. Black voters are not going to be impressed by a hippie from Portlandia saying that they should have a 15 dollar minimum wage instead of a 12.50 one. That's not enough for them to consider him a better choice.


Or put more simply, Black voters are less likely to vote on strictly on ideology than White voters.
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