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Clarko95 📚💰📈
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« on: March 06, 2016, 12:51:54 PM »

Damn, among Whites Sanders and Clinton are tied.

But Blacks in their silly, blind loyalty break for Clinton with over 3/4 support ...

Reported for racism.

There's nothing racist about what I said. I just find it strange that Blacks are voting so stubbornly for Hillary, a corporate enabler and millionaire - who has basically nothing in common with the average black middle-class voter or the ones even struggling harder on welfare or minimum wage. It would be better if Black voters took another look at Bernie, who'd actually have better policies for them instead of Hillary - the corporate whore.
Nearly everything you say is racist or misogynistic.

Wrong.

It is. Everytime black people come up, Sanders supporters constantly bring up welfare.

Have you ever realized how condescending it is for non-whites to be told that their interests lie in the candidate promising them the most stuff from the government?
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Clarko95 📚💰📈
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 01:06:39 PM »

Read again what I wrote: you make it sound as if I was talking exclusively about Blacks on welfare. But I was talking about all Blacks in general and how stubbornly they are voting Hillary. This is abnormal and can be questioned - without it being racist.

Just keep digging the hole.


Look up polling on how voters view the candidates and the issues. Registered Democrats overwhelmingly agree with and support Hillary. They don't care much for Sanders' needless and flawed single payer proposal and so-called "democratic socialism". The idea that Sanders and his ideas would be "better" for this country or minorities is debateable. People are motivated by more than just "WOW DENMARK".

It's really not hard to understand if you get out of the BernBubble.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2016, 12:48:33 PM »

^^^All accurate points AFAIK, Wiz.


There's also another one we're missing: Blacks (and most minorities, by the way) are very pro-establishment.

Talking about the economics of the black middle class (where a plurality of blacks are, not in poverty or working class), they are disproportionately lower-middle class and disproportionately reliant on public sector jobs (federal/state/local government, education, public transportation, public works & services) and thus also heavily unionized.

Subconscious racism often means that qualified minorities face problems when trying to get jobs in the private sector, while the public sector has strict anti-discrimination laws.

Liberal reformers are often met with skepticism by poor communities (of any race, but especially in urban areas) if these reformers are seen as coming from outside the community. Here in Chicago during the 1980s Mayors Byrne, Washington, and Daley all took aim at reforming the patronage system of the Democratic Machine (the infamous story is of city workers being paid the modern-day equivalent of $30 per hour to wash street signs).

Usually these reform movements are led by, but most importantly supported by, more affluent urban liberals. Though paying workers $30 per hour to wash signs is pretty ridiculous, many times these jobs are eliminated outright instead of being directed to more productive projects. Thus, "reform" is often met with skepticism by urban residents who depend on public sector jobs (this includes whites, FWIW).

Bernie Sanders' attacks on "the establishment" are what's hurting him among urban minorities, even when it helps him among white liberals. Hillary Clinton is seen as someone who is liberal and will get results but also does not threaten the established order.

The ever-hated "establishment" is still viewed very positively by a majority of Democrats, even if liberal independents and Republicans hate their respective establishments.
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