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« on: December 14, 2015, 02:05:00 AM »

Trump (R): 51%
Clinton (D): 30%

Carson (R): 60%
Clinton (D): 29%

Rubio (R): 57%
Clinton (D): 29%

Cruz (R): 56%
Clinton (D): 31%

Trump (R): 46%
Sanders (D): 40%

Carson (R): 54%
Sanders (D): 31%

Rubio (R): 48%
Sanders (D): 33%

Cruz (R): 46%
Sanders (D): 36%

http://www.msubillings.edu/urelations/releases/2015/POLL_2015.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 02:11:07 AM »

Wow, that difference is pretty epic.
Compared to her, Bernie is
+15 against Trump
+8 against Carson
+13 against Rubio
+15 against Cruz
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 02:28:32 AM »

It's imaginary support. No one is paying close enough attention to know who Sanders really is, and they'll never have to because he won't be the nominee. If he's so strong, why isn't this support translating into support in the primaries? The media spends 5 minutes on Sanders for every 50 minutes on Clinton, Trump, and other candidates with an actual shot. Republicans spend $100 million on negative ads against Clinton for every $100k on negative ads against Sanders. The only people who really talk at length about Sanders are people on blogs, Reddit or Tumblr who pretty much just whine and complain about how the Democratic establishment is so in the bag for Clinton, as if they'd really go out of their way to help give a non-Democrat the nomination.

If it gives you any solace, jfern, we will never know how Sanders would fare in a general election, after months and months of negative ads - and there's a lot of ammo against Sanders that Republicans can use, don't be so deluded into believing that he'd be able toughen it out an win, but you will always have these polls to comfort you.

Or do you actually believe that Sanders' r[love]ution will save the day for him - like it did for Democrats in 2010 and 2014?
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 02:37:25 AM »

I doubt any Democrat will get below 40% in Montana. Democratic candidates have a much higher floor here than in other mountain states.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 03:16:05 AM »

I doubt any Democrat will get below 40% in Montana. Democratic candidates have a much higher floor here than in other mountain states.

Except for New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and Arizona.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 03:17:55 AM »

I don't understand why the idea that Sanders would be more electable in certain parts of the country than Clinton is so outlandish. It doesn't mean he'll win places that Clinton wouldn't or that overall he is more electable, at least I certainly wouldn't argue that, but the idea that he'd do better than Clinton in one state or another makes sense.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 07:13:56 AM »

Which is why GE match ups at this point are so useless. There are too many dynamics involved that won't be in place once there are two options.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 09:52:19 AM »

Montana Democrats are more left-wing than Democrats in other states, except perhaps for guns. There are parts of Montana in which I would keep a gun.

Why?



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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 01:03:25 PM »

Montana Democrats are more left-wing than Democrats in other states, except perhaps for guns.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Sanders repersents a rural state, and Montana is a rural state. Montana Democrats are pro-gun progressive economic populists. Think of Tester and Schweitzer. So it makes perfect sense for Sanders to be doing better in Montana than Hillary.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2015, 11:23:09 PM »

Wow, that difference is pretty epic.
Compared to her, Bernie is
+15 against Trump
+8 against Carson
+13 against Rubio
+15 against Cruz

And still loses, in this crucial EV-rich swing state.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2015, 11:43:52 PM »

Montana Democrats are more left-wing than Democrats in other states, except perhaps for guns.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Sanders repersents a rural state, and Montana is a rural state. Montana Democrats are pro-gun progressive economic populists. Think of Tester and Schweitzer. So it makes perfect sense for Sanders to be doing better in Montana than Hillary.
Most of the people taking part in the poll don't know who Sanders is and don't know anything about his positions. They just know he's a Democrat who isn't Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2015, 02:49:04 AM »
« Edited: December 15, 2015, 02:50:41 AM by 5280 »

MT = safe GOP

I would say Montana is what Colorado was back in the 1960, politically and population wise.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2015, 07:09:17 PM »

Yeah, Dems focus will be on Colorado.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2015, 07:53:39 PM »

Montana Democrats are more left-wing than Democrats in other states, except perhaps for guns.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Sanders repersents a rural state, and Montana is a rural state. Montana Democrats are pro-gun progressive economic populists. Think of Tester and Schweitzer. So it makes perfect sense for Sanders to be doing better in Montana than Hillary.
Most of the people taking part in the poll don't know who Sanders is and don't know anything about his positions. They just know he's a Democrat who isn't Hillary Clinton.

Sure, but that speaks to how terrible a candidate Clinton is in the Mountain West.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2015, 10:55:16 PM »

I for one am happy to sacrifice all the swing states where Sanders will be hammered as a Stalinist and outspent 20:1 as long as it means we can keep it within single digits in Montana.
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