White Supremacist Groups Seeing Trump Bump

[Frodo]

So we should expect to see a lot more of Boboblaw's crowd infesting this forum before this election is all over:

White supremacist groups see Trump bump

By Ben Schreckinger
12/10/15 05:15 AM EST

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[wolfsblood07]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

[Mister Mets]

Is this a Trump bump, or a Muslim terrorist bump?

[Zache]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

Yeah, sure, whatever. But what does this post have to do with white supremacist hate groups?

[Broken System]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

It is wrong. I don't think the skin color anyone was born with led to them have a greater potential than anyone else. The only exception is back during the days of when certain races were enslaved or segregated. Those races literally were denied the opportunity for greatness. That's not something to be proud of.

[The Free North]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

What is 'white'? Honestly...you're talking about a group that covers everything from Iceland to Saudi Arabia. Thats an incredibly vague term.

I think you can certainly be proud of your culture and heritage (I certainly have a lot to be proud of as an Italian), but how can you derive pride from something so ambiguous?

[Ebsy]

White Pride Worldwide and all that.

[pbrower2a]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?

The essence of the greatness of Leonardo, Shakespeare, and Mozart is not that they were white. I can't see why black Americans whose culture is practically 100% European despite genes predominantly from West Africa have any lesser claim upon these creative people than white people do. (Unless a black person has African ancestors from after the slave era, the typical black American has no cultural heritage from Africa. The slavemasters utterly obliterated all African cultural heritage).

On the other side, I have no use for horrible things done by white people for white people -- like the Atlantic slave trade, the slaughter of native Americans, and the Holocaust (which had racism as its basis).   

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Undoing or alleviating the harm done is not preferential treatment.

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I am disgusted with people 'proud to be white'. 'Whiteness' is simply the winning of some genetic lottery and no legitimate achievement. People with legitimate achievements do not need ethnic identity as a cause of pride.

[Zioneer]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

Here's the thing, White Americans are the default American culture, and White Europeans the default European culture. Most of American history that's taught in schools is based around white or at least European people interacting with each other. There's no need to celebrate what is the dominant culture by default. On the other hand, when someone from a different culture overcomes societal bias and enters history, they are celebrated because they are not the default. Like Rosa Parks, she fought against white supremacism while a relatively poor black woman, and due to her actions and who she was, she is celebrated. She was not the default, and in fact, fought the default. The point was that she is black, and that she did do something influential.

But with Shakespeare, Mozart, etc as pbrower2a says, their genius was not that they were white. They were the default, and so cannot be celebrated for overcoming societal prejudices. They are celebrated because of what they did, whereas a non-white famous person of history is celebrated not only for what they did, but who they are. For example, if Edison or Tesla had been black or whatnot, if they still rose to do what they did, it adds an additional sense of accomplishment due to defying the wider white American attitude at that time towards non-whites. To be disadvantaged and still achieve great things is more notable than not having a particular disadvantage and achieving the same great things.

I don't have any problem with white people, but as the default American culture, there's no reason to be proud of being white, when the culture is essentially shaped around people like you. Being a religious, gender, or ethnic minority and defying the odds is more notable, because all skills and traits left aside, there's no odds to defy for a white person. Maybe if they're poor, but the average middle class white person doesn't exactly have that difficult odds to defy any expectation.

[Zinneke]

Simple question: Is it wrong for a white person to believe that white people have done a few great things and be proud to be white?  And to believe that other races are great also, but not better or deserving of preferential treatment?  If that is not a crime, then what is the problem?  Many liberals are obsessed with showing their disgust with other white people, and it seems so phony.

Why do you think skin colour is in any way :

1/ either responsible for the great things you have done.
2/ In any way the most important factor of identity formation?

[ProudModerate2]

Pompous Trump, has great relish in saying how all people just "love" him, and that he has tons of friends with the diversity groups that he has "conflict" with.

Trump says :
"The Hispanics love me."
"I love the Muslims" (and I guess they love him back).

I just cant wait to see him on TV saying :
"The white supremacist love me, and I love them too."
(He will say anything to increase his base ... so I wouldn't doubt it.)

[publicunofficial]

I figured Wolfsblood to be a white power kind of guy based on his username alone.

[wolfsblood07]

I am disgusted with people 'proud to be white'. 'Whiteness' is simply the winning of some genetic lottery and no legitimate achievement. People with legitimate achievements do not need ethnic identity as a cause of pride.

To me it's about the individual.  I don't feel like white people won a genetic lottery.  There are plenty of worthless white people.  And there are plenty of great blacks like Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, etc.  Those guys worked hard and succeeded in life and are brilliant.
I am not proud to be white per se, but I do not think it is necessarily a bad thing for white people to tend to gravitate to other whites.  And if blacks prefer other blacks, no problem.  Liberals seem to be more obsessed with race, and being politically correct.  If a black marries a white, that's wonderful.  But forced integration sucks.

[publicunofficial]

I am disgusted with people 'proud to be white'. 'Whiteness' is simply the winning of some genetic lottery and no legitimate achievement. People with legitimate achievements do not need ethnic identity as a cause of pride.

To me it's about the individual.  I don't feel like white people won a genetic lottery.  There are plenty of worthless white people. And there are plenty of great blacks like Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, etc.  Those guys worked hard and succeeded in life and are brilliant.
I am not proud to be white per se, but I do not think it is necessarily a bad thing for white people to tend to gravitate to other whites.  And if blacks prefer other blacks, no problem.  Liberals seem to be more obsessed with race, and being politically correct.  If a black marries a white, that's wonderful.  But forced integration sucks.

Thank you for this post.