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« on: December 08, 2015, 02:51:06 PM »

I have noticed that in every PPP poll in any state, Rick Santorum supporters are unique in that they are the only group of people where more than 50% listed that they don't know who their second choice would be. Why are Santorum supporters so consistent in that they don't have a backup choice?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 02:55:15 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2015, 03:11:08 PM by smilo »

He won last time, so these are people just not paying attention to this round still and defaulting to their  selection that was made 4 years ago the day before they found out they had to vote? That's my guess. I'd chalk it up to just dumb chance with the small sample size, but I don't know what kind of consistency you're vouching for. If it's more than 3 polls, I'll stick with my silly theory.

edit: I thought this was just Iowa. If it's everything, that makes a bit less sense, and it's extremely strange.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2015, 03:08:53 PM »

Good theory, smilo! I don't think it's that silly.


Santorum supporters' second choice in the last 4 PPP polls:

NC:
68% undecided
32% Trump

NH:
76% undecided
24% Graham

National:
48% undecided
19% Trump
16% Bush
16% Rubio

SC:
91% undecided
9% Christie
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2015, 04:04:59 PM »

Santorum has more than one supporter?  Who knew!
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2015, 04:46:31 PM »

A Santorum voter with Graham as a second choice? That's... odd, to say the least.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2015, 05:03:38 PM »

This polling is confusing to me.

For example, in New Hampshire, 454 people were surveyed.  Santorum got 1% of the vote, so that means he had 3-6 supporters in the poll. How can Graham possibly get 24% of 3-6 people?

1/3 = 33%
1/4 = 25%
1/5 = 20%
2/5 = 40%
1/6 = 17%
2/6 = 33%

Then nationally, Santorum gets 0% of 607 votes. That means he gets 1-3 supporters in the poll. How the heck would 1-3 voters cause a 16%, 16%, 19%, 48% split? What this actually looks like is the following split:
1/6 = 16.666666...%
3/6 = 50%

Correct me if I am wrong, but PPP seems to be fudging their numbers.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2015, 05:07:28 PM »

To restate, the smallest number of people there can be to result in 24% rounded of anything is 17.

4/17 is the smallest fraction that can round to 24%.

If Santorum had 17 supporters, he would've had 4% of the vote in that NH poll. What seems more likely is that Santorum had 4 supporters in the poll, and PPP decided to change it from 25% and 75% to 24% and 76% to look more professional.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 06:12:30 PM »

This polling is confusing to me.

For example, in New Hampshire, 454 people were surveyed.  Santorum got 1% of the vote, so that means he had 3-6 supporters in the poll. How can Graham possibly get 24% of 3-6 people?

1/3 = 33%
1/4 = 25%
1/5 = 20%
2/5 = 40%
1/6 = 17%
2/6 = 33%


Because of demographic weighting.  Pollsters call a bunch of people at random, but different demographic groups don't respond to their calls in equal numbers.  So they weight each respondent in order to have the demographics of their sample match the voter pool of the US.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 06:26:19 PM »

This polling is confusing to me.

For example, in New Hampshire, 454 people were surveyed.  Santorum got 1% of the vote, so that means he had 3-6 supporters in the poll. How can Graham possibly get 24% of 3-6 people?

1/3 = 33%
1/4 = 25%
1/5 = 20%
2/5 = 40%
1/6 = 17%
2/6 = 33%


Because of demographic weighting.  Pollsters call a bunch of people at random, but different demographic groups don't respond to their calls in equal numbers.  So they weight each respondent in order to have the demographics of their sample match the voter pool of the US.


Ok, that makes sense. I'm not sure I agree with them doing it though. There are so many ways to divvy up different groups of voters, that they are not necessarily adding to the accuracy of the results. Race, income, gender, ideology, and even straight-up which county they live in.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 07:01:34 PM »

I honestly forgot Rick Santorum was running for President.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 07:16:21 PM »

I have noticed that in every PPP poll in any state, Rick Santorum supporters are unique in that they are the only group of people where more than 50% listed that they don't know who their second choice would be. Why are Santorum supporters so consistent in that they don't have a backup choice?

How many folks were Santorum supporters in these polls? Six people or something?
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 10:50:13 PM »

A Santorum voter with Graham as a second choice? That's... odd, to say the least.
Both are security hawks. Santorum has mellowed out a bit since 2012, but he used to fight Ron Paul all the time during the 2012 debates.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 10:58:52 PM »

A Santorum voter with Graham as a second choice? That's... odd, to say the least.
Both are security hawks. Santorum has mellowed out a bit since 2012, but he used to fight Ron Paul all the time during the 2012 debates.

I'm pleasantly surprised with Santorum's progressive ideas in the debates and the less focus on social issues. I'm hoping he gets one more chance on the main debate stage before Iowa.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2015, 11:45:55 PM »

I have noticed that in every PPP poll in any state, Rick Santorum supporters are unique in that they are the only group of people where more than 50% listed that they don't know who their second choice would be. Why are Santorum supporters so consistent in that they don't have a backup choice?

How many folks were Santorum supporters in these polls? Six people or something?

3 in North Carolina,  4 in New Hampshire, 6 Nationally, 10 in South Carolina. Of those 23 voters, 17 were undecided. Gilmore, Pataki, and Graham come nowhere close to such levels of undecidedness.
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