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Statilius the Epicurean
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« on: December 08, 2015, 12:18:05 AM »

Will the party's hard-right turn on immigration make it lean D in the general?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 12:20:37 AM »

No.

And also, you may as well title this "Has Trump already lost the election for the GOP?"

The GOP is not winning without Florida.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2015, 12:22:02 AM »

If Trump isn't the nominee, then the nominee will probably be Rubio who could salvage it
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2015, 02:17:47 PM »

If Trump isn't the nominee, then the nominee will probably be Rubio who could salvage it

But even if Trump isn't the nominee, he's affected the election, for example, by driving Rubio to the right on immigration. Presumably, he'd try to walk it back if he's nominated, but that didn't help Romney.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2015, 02:22:06 PM »

I don't understand how the two are related. PPP had Trump up 6 in September (post-immigration remarks). Quinnipiac had a dip, but FAU and another local news pollster had him ahead (the former by 8 (!) most recently). Trump would win Florida which is incredible considering Clinton's built in advantage with the dying.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2015, 02:22:54 PM »

FL would be problematic for Trump, Romney got 39% Hispanics and a further fall by the GOP to 30% like Trump would do would put the state out of play.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2015, 02:54:57 PM »

Florida is going to be structurally more difficult for the GOP this time around. That's not to say it's not a tossup, but with the large influx of Puerto Ricans and the rising anti-GOP sentiment in the Hispanic community, it's hard to see them pulling off anything but a small win even in a strong GOP year.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 03:18:27 PM »

He was not only lost Floirda. Many more...
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 03:23:51 PM »

Any losses will made up with YUGE gains in traditionally Democratic bastions in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 03:26:37 PM »

Any losses will made up with YUGE gains in traditionally Democratic bastions in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic.

A few months ago I would have laughed at this statement, but nothing has gone as expected in this election cycle so far so you may be right.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 03:29:11 PM »

I'm sure Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin are dying to vote for Trump.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 03:33:51 PM »

Any losses will made up with YUGE gains in traditionally Democratic bastions in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic.

A few months ago I would have laughed at this statement, but nothing has gone as expected in this election cycle so far so you may be right.

The polls still indicate, that more than 50% dislike Trump. More than any other candidate. If only 15-20% of Republicans do not vote for him (stay at home, vote Dem or third party), the election is over. And Dems surely will rally lations, blacks, women and Asians to get out and vote to prevent a Trump presidency.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 03:35:30 PM »

Any losses will made up with YUGE gains in traditionally Democratic bastions in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic.

A few months ago I would have laughed at this statement, but nothing has gone as expected in this election cycle so far so you may be right.

The polls still indicate, that more than 50% dislike Trump. More than any other candidate. If only 15-20% of Republicans do not vote for him (stay at home, vote Dem or third party), the election is over. And Dems surely will rally lations, blacks, women and Asians to get out and vote to prevent a Trump presidency.

A lot can change in the 11 months to go before the general elecction. Trump already turned around his terrible favourability ratings in the GOP primary that he had in June.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2015, 04:06:32 PM »

I doubt it. Much as a hate to admit it, many of us have constantly underestimated Trump. While I'm guessing he wouldn't win Florida, I can't deny that it's a possibility he could exceed all of our expectations.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2015, 05:30:32 PM »

I doubt it. Much as a hate to admit it, many of us have constantly underestimated Trump. While I'm guessing he wouldn't win Florida, I can't deny that it's a possibility he could exceed all of our expectations.

Judging by what's said on this forum. He would exceed Atlas expectations. So many Atlas users have listed Trump as losing safe R states. In reality, Trump's floor is most likely a McCain performance. Politics has become so polarized that it will become continuously harder to swing states. So many people are tired of Clinton that it will decrease usual D turnout. Trump's opinions are shared by many people, increasing R turnout, but also alienating tons of other usual R voters.
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