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« on: December 04, 2015, 10:36:24 PM »

Sen. Sanders does not have so much foreign policy experience. If he wins the Democratic nomination, he may have to pick someone younger, but a younger vice president with foreign policy credentials, because if he wins the nomination, Republicans will attack him on his foreign policy views.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2015, 10:47:13 PM »

Time for Tulsi!
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2015, 11:08:15 PM »

He won't pick one. He doesn't think he has a foreign policy/national security weakness.

I put his chance of winning the nomination at less than 5% anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 11:21:51 PM »

lol
Sanders will never get a VP
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2015, 12:15:23 AM »

Caroline Kennedy/Gary Locke?
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2015, 02:29:50 AM »

I like Sanders, but man, the Republicans and the Koch Brothers would have a FIELD DAY with him.

"Bernie Sanders: More Liberal Than Hillary Clinton"

So was Eisenhower

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2015, 05:56:55 AM »

I like Sanders, but man, the Republicans and the Koch Brothers would have a FIELD DAY with him.

"Bernie Sanders: More Liberal Than Hillary Clinton"

So was Eisenhower


I just love how Maddow and co. all love to pretend that Eisenhower was some liberal dreamboat who represents what the Republican party could have been, and then when faced with actual policies of his like Operation Wetback, they immediately turn around and say he was a racistsexisthomophobictransphobicmysogynisticflyingace
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2015, 10:08:57 AM »

I like Sanders, but man, the Republicans and the Koch Brothers would have a FIELD DAY with him.

"Bernie Sanders: More Liberal Than Hillary Clinton"

So was Eisenhower


I just love how Maddow and co. all love to pretend that Eisenhower was some liberal dreamboat who represents what the Republican party could have been, and then when faced with actual policies of his like Operation Wetback, they immediately turn around and say he was a racistsexisthomophobictransphobicmysogynisticflyingace

Eisenhower was a moderate Republican. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2015, 11:21:42 AM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2015, 04:52:18 PM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2015, 01:30:06 AM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.



What's your source for that pic?
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2015, 05:57:06 AM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.



What's your source for that pic?

Just a random image. Here's a similar one that was rated mostly true.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/oct/28/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-1956-republican-platform-was-prett/
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2015, 06:21:35 PM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.



"These... are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big overgrown Negroes."
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2015, 06:38:23 PM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.



"These... are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big overgrown Negroes."

Ike wasn't real popular with southern whites when he sent the military to integrate Little Rock in 1957.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2015, 09:21:19 PM »

oh honey... bernie is going to need a lot of things if the Democrats are unlucky enough to nominate him.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2015, 03:29:17 AM »

He won't pick one. He doesn't think he has a foreign policy/national security weakness.

I put his chance of winning the nomination at less than 5% anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2015, 03:29:47 AM »

He won't pick one. He doesn't think he has a foreign policy/national security weakness.

I put his chance of winning the nomination at less than 5% anyway, so it shouldn't be an issue.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2015, 05:45:51 AM »

Eisenhower's popularity was more personal than political. Lest we forget, Congress was dominated by Democrats throughout his two terms. He really didn't have coattails.

And it's silly to say Eisenhower was "more liberal than Hillary Clinton" (what does that even mean?) when the dynamics of American politics were very, very different back then, compared to today.

Here's the 1956 Republican platform.



"These... are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big overgrown Negroes."

Ike wasn't real popular with southern whites when he sent the military to integrate Little Rock in 1957.

He had to do that in order to enforce a Supreme Court Ruling.  To not do that would have created a dangerous precedent.  I'm not aware of any evidence that Eisenhower did it out of any personal concern over civil rights.  And, the fact that he basically stalled on every other aspect of the civil rights issue at the time suggests it wasn't a concern of his.

When you consider that and consider as well the number of democratically elected foreign governments around that world that the CIA overthrew, I believe, though I could be wrong, with Eisenhower's awareness if not necessarily direct approval, it's pretty evident that his Presidency is enormously overrated by Presidential historians.

I'm not arguing that the Eisenhower administration didn't also do some good things, but it's ranked at roughly #6 I believe mostly on the basis that his administration reorganized either the civil service or the Presidential office, and I'd say it should probably be ranked somewhere in the middle.
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