Does anyone here actually believe Jeb Bush has a shot at the nomination still?
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« on: December 02, 2015, 04:50:24 PM »
« edited: December 02, 2015, 04:54:35 PM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

Does anyone here  still believe Jeb Bush could be the nominee?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2015, 04:51:21 PM »

Jeb Bush still believes. Thats about it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2015, 04:52:14 PM »

Two different questions yah asked there bud

Yes to the title, no to the OP, of course.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2015, 04:53:40 PM »

Jeb Bush still believes. Thats about it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/jeb-bush-to-iowans-youre-looking-at-the-2016-gop-nominee-577337923636

I'm not sure even Jeb Bush believes it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2015, 06:10:36 PM »

Well, sure. If Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Christie and Kasich die, then he has a shot.
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 06:45:07 PM »

I think he has some chance of a resurgence - while it's highly unlikely that Trump's support will collapse before Iowa, it's not an impossibility. Of course, Trump supporters could choose Cruz/Rubio over Bush. There's also the possibility that Rubio falters, which could lead to a Bush resurgence - but could boost Christie/Kasich/Paul/Fiorina instead.

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2015, 06:47:25 PM »

Well, sure. If Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Christie and Kasich die, then he has a shot.

While his opponents all have strengths, they also have massive weaknesses

Trump is an abrasive complete outsider who still hasn't proven he's taking this seriously, Rubio is massively over-rated, Cruz is a problematic true believer who has alienated most of DC, Carson is in the process of crashing, Christie is a RINO who may be indicted at any time, and Kasich is a less-appealing version of Jeb himself.

Securing the nomination is by no means guaranteed, but even now I'd give him 1 in 3 odds of winning it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2015, 07:18:38 PM »

Bush has more than a shot.  Bush has the party establishment pulling strings for him.  2 former presidents are in his corner along with the network of donors critical to waging a ground game in each state.  Bush having an insurmountable delegate lead by the end of March is not out of the question.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2015, 07:20:14 PM »

Bush has more than a shot.  Bush has the party establishment pulling strings for him.  2 former presidents are in his corner along with the network of donors critical to waging a ground game in each state.  Bush having an insurmountable delegate lead by the end of March is not out of the question.

The establishment is abandoning him for Rubio.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2015, 07:21:03 PM »

Bush has more than a shot.  Bush has the party establishment pulling strings for him.  2 former presidents are in his corner along with the network of donors critical to waging a ground game in each state.  Bush having an insurmountable delegate lead by the end of March is not out of the question.

The establishment has thrown Jeb under the bus in favor of Rubio.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2015, 07:25:40 PM »

Bush thinks he has a shot, I don't think he does.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2015, 07:32:02 PM »

He has about as much chance as McCain had at this point eight years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2015, 07:38:27 PM »

The establishment is abandoning him for Rubio.
I believe that fear of Trump will drive the establishment away from Rubio, back to the candidate with the best chance of winning.  Without question, that man is Bush.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2015, 07:44:39 PM »

The establishment is abandoning him for Rubio.
I believe that fear of Trump will drive the establishment away from Rubio, back to the candidate with the best chance of winning.  Without question, that man is Bush.

Can somebody say "wishful thinking?"
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2015, 07:50:10 PM »

  Wasn't John McCain doing as poorly at this time in 2007?
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 08:00:07 PM »

 Wasn't John McCain doing as poorly at this time in 2007?

Nope!





Jeb is about on par with Ron Paul 2008.
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 09:01:32 PM »

The establishment is abandoning him for Rubio.
I believe that fear of Trump will drive the establishment away from Rubio, back to the candidate with the best chance of winning.  Without question, that man is Bush.

This would only help Trump by further splintering the establishment vote. To take down Trump, there needs to be less choice, not more.  Which is actually the reason why there's such an anti-establishment feeling in the Republican primary, they're tired of being told who to vote for without any actual choice.
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2015, 09:38:14 PM »

A remotely competent candidate with Jeb Bush's background and credentials in his current predicament would have a shot at the nomination. Jeb Bush, alas, lacks the chops for this.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2015, 10:47:10 PM »

Not sure if I should answer "yes" as in "yes, there are some strange people on Atlas who think Bush has a shot" or "no" as in "there's no way someone as incompetent as Bush will make a miraculous comeback."
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 10:55:18 PM »

A remotely competent candidate with Jeb Bush's background and credentials in his current predicament would have a shot at the nomination. Jeb Bush, alas, lacks the chops for this.

It's funny that some people say Jeb's last name puts him at a disadvantage. A candidate with Jeb's same exact personality, looks, political acumen, resume, etc. but with a different last name would be in the 0% sour grapes Twitter debates with Jim Gilmore, or out of the race entirely.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 11:37:25 PM »

A remotely competent candidate with Jeb Bush's background and credentials in his current predicament would have a shot at the nomination. Jeb Bush, alas, lacks the chops for this.

It's funny that some people say Jeb's last name puts him at a disadvantage. A candidate with Jeb's same exact personality, looks, political acumen, resume, etc. but with a different last name would be in the 0% sour grapes Twitter debates with Jim Gilmore, or out of the race entirely.

That's sort of a polarization. You are right. Bush's name is keeping him off of rock bottom. But a few Bush loyalists comes with a truck load of people sick and tired of the Bush name who wouldn't vote for him in a general election. All it takes is those few loyalists for it to make the small effect that it has right now.
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2015, 02:49:13 AM »
« Edited: December 03, 2015, 04:02:49 PM by heatmaster »

You were asking me, weren't you?  Well you know the answer to that bud😊...if he's the only guy who believes,  that's enough for me. If he does prevail, do you remotely think or believe he will listen, to the wiseguys afterwards? He will be as bad as Trump is now, will have the attitude, "what do you know?"
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2015, 03:09:15 AM »

There's a greater chance now of a random cow tipping over somewhere in China than Bush becoming the GOP nominee.
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2015, 04:20:27 AM »

Well, sure. If Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Christie and Kasich die, then he has a shot.

Yeah, that's about it. But for Jeb, hope springs eternal...
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2015, 05:41:08 AM »

He will likely stay in the race for a while and then drop out after a devastating Super Tuesday.
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