The Leaders' Debate, 11/4/2015 - Potus vs. Cranberry - Transcript.
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« on: November 03, 2015, 07:18:23 PM »
« edited: November 03, 2015, 07:20:59 PM by oakvale »

The Leaders' Debate
4 November, 2015



With the election approaching, the two likely candidates to be the next Prime Minister debated, live, the issues facing South America, the record of the government, and their vision for the future.

ParticipatingSad

POTUS, MP,
Prime Minister & Leader of the Conservative Party.

CRANBERRY, MP,
Leader of the Opposition & Leader of the Socialist Party.

Moderated by:

HASHEMITE,
State Justice of South America.



HASHEMITE: Opening statements from the both of you, please. The Prime Minister may go first.

POTUS: Thank you, sir. It has been my sincerest honor to serve as the first Prime Minister in our wonderful government. My government has built a solid foundation on which we can build the future. Progress has been made as promises have been kept. As I consider the achievements of this government, a Constitution for starters, I am encouraged about the future.There is great cause for optimism in South America. I believe a re-elected Conservative Government is the best vehicle for South American aspirations. We are challenged with continuing the building of a nation. That challenge must be met with strong leadership, not with petty politics of labels and infighting. Our Party has proposed a vision for South America's future that I look forward to discussing during this debate.

CRANBERRY: Thank you, and thank you for the Prime Minister for agreeing to this debate.If I may start this with a probably quite unusual, point: the Prime Minister is right with one thing. There is reason to be encouraged about the future, there is great cause for optimism in our nation.And that is, and here already we start disagreeing to one another, that is because there is an election soon, an election, in which South Americans have a chance to let their voices be heard.South Americans have a choice to choose, to continue the path of the Conservative government, or to choose the new path of the Socialist Party.And this evening, I look forward to discussing those two paths, and to convince as many people as possible, that the second one is the one they should choose. Thank you.

HASHEMITE: Thank you both. A general question now, again addressed to both leaders. If elected or reelected, what would be your government's main priority? Mr. Cranberry may go first.

CRANBERRY: A Socialist government, if chosen by the people, would always have the main goal of serving the people. This is done through a multitude of ways, but keeping this short and just at that one, main priority: We would look first and foremost to strengthen our social state. We would see that every citizen has access to the best healthcare available, that every senior citizen receives the pension they deserve, that every one that is struggling to find work or to make ends meet is supported and can see a helping hand. This is the basis for a fruitful, functioning society, and a Socialist government would work tirelessly to make this a reality.

HASHEMITE: The Prime Minister, please.

POTUS: This Government has been committed to the prosperity, success, and stability of South America. This will continue to be the top priority of my government. But I must draw a distinction between the Socialist vision of society and the South American vision of society. The Socialist promise is simple: support the dispensation of larger checks through the government. The Socialist premise of social protection is one of an all-encompassing state with an ever-growing tax burden rooted in distaste of civil society. The Conservative manifesto, as laid out at our convention, offers a comprehensive vision of effective social protection. Civil society, the life that occurs between the individual and the state, is what truly satisfies the needs of the people. Fundamental needs such as food, shelter, and companionship as well the deeper fundamental need of meaning.Government, which my friend here believes is capable of fixing every problem with humanity, cannot dispense via social services the kind of happiness and satisfaction that comes with work, family, and community. My Government, upon its re-election, will be committed to preserving and strengthening those fundamental values

CRANBERRY: If I might shortly respond to the Prime Minister?

HASHEMITE: Yes, briefly.

CRANBERRY: I merely want to clarify my previous statement that the Prime Minister seems to have understood wrongly.

POTUS: Government, which my friend here believes is capable of fixing every problem with humanity, cannot dispense via social services the kind of happiness and satisfaction that comes with work, family, and community. My Government, upon its re-election, will be committed to preserving and strengthening those fundamental values.

CRANBERRY: If I might shortly respond to the Prime Minister?

HASHEMITE: Yes, briefly.

CRANBERRY: I merely want to clarify my previous statement that the Prime Minister seems to have understood wrongly. I do not, and neither does the Socialist Party, believe that government is capable of fixing every problem with humanity; it is merely of our opinion that we can do everything that is in our might to play a role to provide a basis of equal chances and an equal starting position where matters beyond our control have created inequality and problems.

And this, my friend, can very well be done through an extensive social state, and this is one thing the Socialist Party is very committed to. Thank you.

POTUS: Hashemite, that warrants a response. May I?

HASHEMITE: Very briefly, please.

POTUS: Mr. Leader, South America is on uneven starting ground because of the backwater economic policies of ever-increasing taxes, ever-rising spending, and ever-growing promises made to people. It is the tradition of South American socialists to promise everything to people in hopes of political success.
While conservatives respect tradition, this is one that has to go.16:27PotusThe Socialist Party neglects to mention that our nation is not home to the world's economic superpower for a very large reason: public policy that repels investment.

The Conservatives have, and will continue to, support legislation that promotes shared prosperity and grows the South American economy.

HASHEMITE: Mr. Prime Minister, how do you respond to some criticisms that your government has been fairly inactive and has not addressed a number of important issues?

POTUS: The concern has been drastically overblown by the opposition in an effort to score political points. After crashing out of the gate with the election of an inactive leader, the Socialists were forced to try to find something wrong with this Government. I find it rich, Hash, that the Opposition uncomfortably ignored the conflict with FARC, in large part because of their closeness in ideology.

Our government has approved a Constitution, created economic harmony, saved dozens of our citizens in a bold operation against a militant group, codified relationships between business and labor, and have remained steadfast in our commitment to strong, steady governance of South America. In every election, the Opposition will rise and say, "We will be more active!" But, as I mentioned earlier, the Opposition is not accountable for their promises. Truth and reality are bent to the purposes of political gain.

And that is why this question is getting asked, because the Opposition would like to make cheap hay out of "Activity ”. The concerns are, as I said, largely overblown.

HASHEMITE: I open the floor to general ordered debate on this specific question. Mr. Cranberry, please.

CRANBERRY: First of all, to briefly come back to Mr. Potus first point, regarding that the opposition had to search for something wrong with the government. Ican give you for response we did not have a hard time finding something. This government, that should have been a government to lay a foundation to our juvenile nation, has absolutely failed doing this job.Where are we today? We are a nation with a dozen different systems of currency, of governance, of administration, of economy.

POTUS: The accusation is patently false. Hashemite, if I may?

HASHEMITE: Go ahead.

CRANBERRY: Does the Prime Minister deny that his government was unable to achieve harmonisation in those fields?If so, he is kindly invited to name the laws passed by this parliament that supposedly should have achieved this feat. They are not that hard to look through, after all, how many are there? Six?

POTUS: The Conservative Party has made tremendous strides toward building the national identity. The economic union and meaningful cooperation on issues of terrorism are both examples of wonderful starts in the direction of harmonization.

CRANBERRY: a period of ten weeks? I once again ask the Prime Minister to answer my question.

POTUS: While it is easy for a Socialist to loosely throw around the concept of "nationalization," this sort of harmonization is of a different breed.

CRANBERRY: Do you deny that there are different currencies, different ways of governance and administration still present today, after his government's term expired?

POTUS: The Conservative manifesto clearly lays out our agenda for strengthening the national community on issues both foreign and domestic. We are achieving harmonization, Mr. Leader. That is the plain and simple fact. Plain and simple.

CRANBERRY: When his own ministers repeatedly stated a currency union for instance as an important part of the government's agenda.

POTUS: Do you deny that our continent has never been so united?

CRANBERRY: You deny it then, Mr. Prime Minister?

POTUS: We are achieving harmonization. Is it the position of the Socialist Party that the national government should, in one fell swoop, nationalize all powers of government without transitory policies and government?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2015, 07:18:54 PM »
« Edited: November 03, 2015, 07:21:33 PM by oakvale »

CRANBERRY: That is quite a long way from the point we are discussing right now, I believe.

POTUS: The matter of the fact is clear: immediate harmonization is not practical socially, economically, or administratively.

CRANBERRY: If you want to make this about the Socialist Party platform though, go ahead, I have no problem. Immediate harmonization on many fields is what was promised by a number of government ministers at the beginning of this term, Mr. Potus

POTUS: You know as well as I, and as well as the people of South America, that total, unilateral dismantling of the constituent government is irresponsible. Do you deny that? Immediate is a figment of your imagination.Immediacy was not part of the deal.

CRANBERRY: Now you are suddenly calling it not practical - what are the people supposed to believe now?

POTUS: We supported, just as we do, harmonization.

CRANBERRY: I never recall advocating for the dismantling of constituent governments.

POTUS: You are seeking pin a mantle of "immediate harmonization" on my Party and Government, a mantle we never assumed. Immediate harmonization was not the promise and is not the intention.

CRANBERRY: Just minutes ago, you boasted on how your government already achieved this harmony.

POTUS: Nonsense. We have made meaningful strides.

CRANBERRY: Now you are fiddling a strawman of how "immediate harmonization" was not the promise - "our government has created economic harmony". I am using none but your own words.

POTUS: This continent has never been more united, and unity is our intention. It is not possible to simply dismantle constituent governments and usurp their powers to the federal government. An economic harmonization law was enacted, yes. But this lie you're propagating, a promise of "immediate harmonization," is not at all what the bill was. Bringing our country into economic unity is a stepping stone in the larger movement toward harmony.

HASHEMITE: Let us conclude this particular exchange please, so we can move to another question.

POTUS: These are principles we as citizens of South America agree on.

CRANBERRY: So has it been achieved now already, or was this too immediate for your tastes, or what is it now? You have said so many contradictory things over the last few minutes, it is becoming increasingly hard to follow suit.

POTUS: This supposed goal of my Government, "immediate harmonization," is something made up by the Leader of the Opposition. It simply doesn't exist. The Conservative Party supports, as it has supported, the gradual strengthening of the national community.

HASHEMITE: Mr. Cranberry, the Conservative Party has released a detailed manifesto outlining its position on the main issues and making a number of concrete promises. Firstly, does your party intend to release a similar manifesto, and what concrete promises could voters expect in it? Secondly, do you have any particular comments about the Conservative manifesto?

CRANBERRY: My party is in the process of crafting a number of ideas ourselves, and we do plan to publish a concrete plan of action in advance of the election, yes. To come to the second part, I am glad that the Conservative Party has outlined their ideas, has outlined their promises, which should make the choice of the people a significantly easier one.It is apparent, upon reading the Conservative manifesto, that there is only one choice for South Americans that do believe in a role of government in society, that believe that we should work together in a strong community, and that inlcudes a social state that is reasonably funded and can still work.

I am not promising a maximum tax of I believe, the Prime MInister can correct me if I am wrong, mere 25% and functioning organs of the state as we know them at the present moment. But we are promising South Americans a strong social state, help when they are in need, and equal opportunities for everyone. Thank you.

HASHEMITE: Mr. Potus may respond, briefly.

POTUS: The Conservative Party has introduced a bold, detailed, comprehensive vision of government. We have laid out a fiscally sustainable, compassionate agenda for caring for the least fortunate among us. We have a realistic, achievable plan to provide healthcare to every South American. We have a public pension and social insurance plan that acts as a strong safety net and protection the dignity of individuals, as well as the value of hard work. Our plan of taxation provides us with the necessary funding to govern South America.

While the Leader may attempt to poke holes in the Conservative plan, which may not be perfect, the Socialists merely run on a vague promise of "equality”. The Conservative Party offers a realistic, responsible path forward for our national government.

It is worth mentioning, though, that any economic agenda supported by the Socialists must also be contorted to suit the needs of the Workers Party in order to pass Parliament. A leftist economic policy will rely on the votes of communists in order to clear Parliament. I oppose, on a personal level, that level of influence being entrusted to those who actively seek to dismantle our government, destroy our society, and demolish our economy in the name of misguided revolution.

CRANBERRY: We do not know how majorities will be possible in the new parliament. So I would kindly ask the Prime Minister from refraining from such baseless speculations and attempted red scares.

POTUS: I hope the voters will honestly consider where a Socialist agenda would be getting its votes. The road to a socialist South America runs through the center of the Worker's Party. I don't think I need to further comment on that. Let the facts speak for themselves.


--The debate concluded--
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2015, 10:05:24 PM »

I decry this farce of a "debate" that gave no representation to all voices in contention for the upcoming election. Shame on the bourgeoisie scum known as the Conservatives and their lackeys, the Socialists!
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