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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2015, 01:11:33 AM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. Kasich may be too moderate, but he definitely has a real shot. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.

Kasich has a shot, but he's really underperformed, and it has a lot to do with his persona.  In addition, he has so much more experience than Rubio to where it sets up a situation to where, in the eyes of the critical undecided voters, the waiter may appear to be a better cook than the chef.

My pick for Rubio's VP is Rick Snyder.  He's a guy that thought of jumping in, but thought better of it, which turned out to be a good move.  He could potentially expand the map, and his record in Michigan, while controversial, is the stuff the national GOP loves. 
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« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2015, 01:30:32 AM »

Rubio/Kasich - 285
Clinton/Booker - 253
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« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2015, 01:50:26 AM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. Kasich may be too moderate, but he definitely has a real shot. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.

Kasich has a shot, but he's really underperformed, and it has a lot to do with his persona.  In addition, he has so much more experience than Rubio to where it sets up a situation to where, in the eyes of the critical undecided voters, the waiter may appear to be a better cook than the chef.

My pick for Rubio's VP is Rick Snyder.  He's a guy that thought of jumping in, but thought better of it, which turned out to be a good move.  He could potentially expand the map, and his record in Michigan, while controversial, is the stuff the national GOP loves. 
Snyder can't keep the water running in Detroit. No thanks.
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« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2015, 02:12:23 AM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. Kasich may be too moderate, but he definitely has a real shot. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.

Kasich has a shot, but he's really underperformed, and it has a lot to do with his persona.  In addition, he has so much more experience than Rubio to where it sets up a situation to where, in the eyes of the critical undecided voters, the waiter may appear to be a better cook than the chef.

My pick for Rubio's VP is Rick Snyder.  He's a guy that thought of jumping in, but thought better of it, which turned out to be a good move.  He could potentially expand the map, and his record in Michigan, while controversial, is the stuff the national GOP loves. 
Snyder can't keep the water running in Detroit. No thanks.

Never underestimate the GOP's ability to play Dog Whistle politics.  Snyder appointed Emergency Managers to seven (7) of Michigan's cities and two (2) school districts that went bankrupt.  Four (4) of the seven cities (Detroit, Highland Park, Flint, and Benton Harbor) had significant black majorities, while both of the school districts (Detroit and Highland Park) were black majority school districts.

There are reasons why the cities of Detroit, Flint, Highland Park, and Benton Harbor went bankrupt, and why the Detroit and Highland Park school districts went bankrupt.  A certain amount of this is the circumstances these cities were put in with the decline of the auto industry and other manufacturing in Michigan, but much of it is blamed on the political establishments of these cities, which are predominantly black, and this is not lost on Republican voters.  The law was repealed at the ballot box in 2012, but that was a Democratic year in MI; it was favorably viewed in Republican areas. 

For this "fiscally responsible" posture, and for jamming through a right-to-work law in Michigan, Snyder is a hero amongst the business Republicans AND much of the anti-union hard right.  This is a guy who got conservative (or, at least, anti-Democrat) things done.  Most folks care more about the appearance of fiscal responsibility than the drinking water in a municipality they don't live in.  Sad, but true; that's the way of the world.
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« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2015, 08:06:04 AM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. Kasich may be too moderate, but he definitely has a real shot. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.

Kasich has a shot, but he's really underperformed, and it has a lot to do with his persona.  In addition, he has so much more experience than Rubio to where it sets up a situation to where, in the eyes of the critical undecided voters, the waiter may appear to be a better cook than the chef.

My pick for Rubio's VP is Rick Snyder.  He's a guy that thought of jumping in, but thought better of it, which turned out to be a good move.  He could potentially expand the map, and his record in Michigan, while controversial, is the stuff the national GOP loves.

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder couldn't expand his re-election margin.

He went from 18.21 percentage points, as the Republican gubernatorial pickup winner in 2010, down to 4.06 percentage points, in 2014, which was a decline of 14.15 percentage points from a midterm election in which the Republicans won majority-control pickup of the U.S. Senate and gained an additional 13 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Contrasted eight years earlier, incumbent Democrat Jennifer Granholm won re-election, in 2006, by an additional estimate of 10 percentage points as all Democratic pickup-winning governors, from 2002, won their 2006 re-elections by conspicuously stronger margins in a midterm in which their party won majority-control pickups of both houses of Congress.

Both 2006 and 2014 were midterm waves, involving party-flippings of at least one house of Congress, but Rick Snyder had a decline of over 14 percentage points that was a net loss of 459,172 raw votes.

What enabled Rick Snyder to survive his re-election bid was the difference between a midterm and a presidential election of participating votersfrom the state of Michigan…which is typically three vs. five million.

Michigan has averaged approximately +5.30 percentage points more Democratic than the nation over the presidential elections of 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. The Democratic raw-vote advantage is approximately at +250,000. The state hasn't carried for a Republican presidential candidate since 1988, when George Bush won 40 states and, among those states, the likes of California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland and, yes, Michigan were in his (and his party's) column. They, along with Michigan, flipped Democratic in 1992, for pickup winning challenger Bill Clinton, and have not since voted for another Republican presidential candidate.

Do you still want to stick with Rick Snyder?
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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2015, 09:07:49 AM »

Vice-presidential candidates do not swing states. I doubt that even a highly popular John Kasich as VP nominee will make a noticeable impact in Ohio. Whether or not Republicans win there, his presence on the ticket won't be the deciding factor.

And should the GOP ticket carry Michigan, it will be as part of a national landslide and not because of who the vice-presidential candidate is.
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2015, 01:36:26 PM »

Vice-presidential candidates do not swing states. I doubt that even a highly popular John Kasich as VP nominee will make a noticeable impact in Ohio. Whether or not Republicans win there, his presence on the ticket won't be the deciding factor.

And should the GOP ticket carry Michigan, it will be as part of a national landslide and not because of who the vice-presidential candidate is.

Exactly. Kasich has other strikes against him, but Rubio picking Kasich or another mid-western person simply for the sake of picking up Ohio/mid-western support is a false notion.
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2015, 03:01:50 PM »
« Edited: November 01, 2015, 03:03:49 PM by henster »

Clinton will pick Xavier Becerra who has far more experience than Castro and speaks Spanish. And Rubio (should he be the nominee) picks Nikki Haley and Cruz would do. Right now I think Haley would be on every GOP ticket except Trump & Carson. The confederate flag thing improved her veepstakes fortunes greatly.
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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2015, 06:27:04 PM »


Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY) / Retired Neurosurgeon Ben Carson (R-MD): 52%; 317 Electoral Votes
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT): 47%; 221 Electoral Votes
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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2015, 09:27:33 PM »

Ayotte would be a solid VP pick but since she will have a competitive reelection race (now that Hassan is running) in a swing presidential state, I don't think he choses her. Rubio needs her vote in the Senate. If Rubio wants a women on the ticket he'll probably pick either Nikki Haley or Susana Martinez, which would be smart because they are also both Governors. 
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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2015, 01:53:16 AM »

What is with all the Kasich predictions? Kasich will not be on the ticket! He maybe had a chance until this past debate, when he completely blew any chance he had away. All he came across was in the debate was a complete grouch. He underwent a complete personality change (or maybe he just finally settled into his real personality). He said the moderators did a fine job. He's too moderate, or at least he's presenting himself that way. He's out.

Rubio/Haley and Clinton/somebody
Kasich is considered to be a real contender due to him being the popular, two-term governor of the important swing state of Ohio. He has real results as a result of his governorship, has proven that he can win Democratic and independent votes, and is a reasonable conservative. Kasich may be too moderate, but he definitely has a real shot. He is betting his campaign on winning New Hampshire, and right now, he has the best campaign in that state. He would at least make a decent VP.

Kasich has a shot, but he's really underperformed, and it has a lot to do with his persona.  In addition, he has so much more experience than Rubio to where it sets up a situation to where, in the eyes of the critical undecided voters, the waiter may appear to be a better cook than the chef.

My pick for Rubio's VP is Rick Snyder.  He's a guy that thought of jumping in, but thought better of it, which turned out to be a good move.  He could potentially expand the map, and his record in Michigan, while controversial, is the stuff the national GOP loves. 
Snyder can't keep the water running in Detroit. No thanks.

Never underestimate the GOP's ability to play Dog Whistle politics.  Snyder appointed Emergency Managers to seven (7) of Michigan's cities and two (2) school districts that went bankrupt.  Four (4) of the seven cities (Detroit, Highland Park, Flint, and Benton Harbor) had significant black majorities, while both of the school districts (Detroit and Highland Park) were black majority school districts.

There are reasons why the cities of Detroit, Flint, Highland Park, and Benton Harbor went bankrupt, and why the Detroit and Highland Park school districts went bankrupt.  A certain amount of this is the circumstances these cities were put in with the decline of the auto industry and other manufacturing in Michigan, but much of it is blamed on the political establishments of these cities, which are predominantly black, and this is not lost on Republican voters.  The law was repealed at the ballot box in 2012, but that was a Democratic year in MI; it was favorably viewed in Republican areas. 

For this "fiscally responsible" posture, and for jamming through a right-to-work law in Michigan, Snyder is a hero amongst the business Republicans AND much of the anti-union hard right.  This is a guy who got conservative (or, at least, anti-Democrat) things done.  Most folks care more about the appearance of fiscal responsibility than the drinking water in a municipality they don't live in.  Sad, but true; that's the way of the world.
That was a great post, and I agree. The only problem with Snyder might be his lack of support among social conservative voters.
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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2015, 02:03:05 AM »

Not totally serious here, but Clinton/Biden v. Rubio/Haley is a possibility.
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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2015, 10:34:14 AM »

Rubio / Kasich vs Clinton / Castro

Very close election, give Rubio the slight edge after 8 years of a democrat in white house. Very tough to win a 3rd term.
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« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2015, 12:31:08 PM »


Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/HUD Secretary Julian Castro (D-TX): 314 EV (50%)
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX): 224 EV (46%)
Others:0 EV (4%)

Overall, a very strange election with an unusually high percentage of third-party votes due to dissatisfaction with both major party tickets. Hillary Clinton ends up doing extremely well among Hispanics, women, and millennial voters. On the other hand, Donald Trump does very well with white voters in the South and parts of the Midwest and also with conservative voters due to his choice of Ted Cruz as his running-mate.
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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2015, 01:46:15 PM »

I think Snyder has a good record to run on as a Republican. However, I think his electoral success has more to do with how awful the Democratic nominees have been rather than the state overwhelmingly supporting his policies. There would be no way that he could swing Michigan if the voters are given a solid Democratic ticket.
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