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« on: October 14, 2015, 02:24:59 PM »

Who would be running now on both sides, and which Republicans would have run in 2012? Immediately take out Paul, Rubio, and Cruz if you ask me. A President Clinton wouldn't build up nearly the amount of tea party steam that propelled those 3 into office.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 02:33:48 PM »

I really do feel like Obama would be the frontrunner now if Clinton had won in 2008. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 02:36:06 PM »

Pretty much whoever she picked as a running-mate.

Who would be running now on both sides, and which Republicans would have run in 2012? Immediately take out Paul, Rubio, and Cruz if you ask me. A President Clinton wouldn't build up nearly the amount of tea party steam that propelled those 3 into office.

Why not? The Clinton's are certainly not beloved by the hard right.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 02:38:46 PM »

I really do feel like Obama would be the frontrunner now if Clinton had won in 2008. 

He'd be probably the sitting VP so yeah, he would have been the prohibitive frontrunner.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 02:51:01 PM »

I really do feel like Obama would be the frontrunner now if Clinton had won in 2008. 

He'd be probably the sitting VP so yeah, he would have been the prohibitive frontrunner.

And probably would have made a better president than he's ultimately been as a result of his eight years navigating the upper echelons of power.

This is how it should've been, but I digress.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 04:43:31 PM »

I doubt she'd pick Obama for what I hope are obvious reasons.

I predict either a Senator or Vice President Howard Dean is the current insurgent and is polling even with establishmentarian candidates like Secretary of State Bill Richardson or Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Senator Howard Dean: 24%
Secretary of State Bill Richardson: 23%
Governor Anthony Brown: 18%
Senator Jim Webb: 10%
Representative Keith Ellison: 9%
Undecided: 13%

Webb never retires and runs mostly on foreign policy. Dean is leading in Iowa and New Hampshire, while Richardson leads in Nevada. Brown, Dean, and Webb are battling it out in South Carolina.

Final map[Slightly different primary dates]:

Green is Dean, Red is Richardson, Blue is Webb, Yellow is Brown.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 05:21:44 PM »

I don't think she would've won in 2012 if we're talking similar economic conditions.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 06:02:20 PM »

That's true too. President Mitt Romney would probably be coasting his way to reelection... Wink
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 06:06:25 PM »

We'd have  a 36 month Vince Foster House Select Committee to go along with the 17 month Benghazi Select Committee....
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2015, 06:12:24 PM »

A Vice President Obama would have an easier time than Hillary now. It would be his turn, there would be the milestone the party wants very badly, and he'd have more youth appeal.

But I don't know if Hillary would have chosen him. The Clintons generally don't support people who ran against them. So it might be a tough primry between Governor Obama and some white guy with insitutional support (Evan Bayh?)

I don't know if things would be different on the right.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2015, 07:37:21 PM »

The most important thing about a Hillary win in 2008 and 2012 is NO IRAN DEAL. She would never have done that.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2015, 08:33:29 PM »

Pretty much whoever she picked as a running-mate.

Who would be running now on both sides, and which Republicans would have run in 2012? Immediately take out Paul, Rubio, and Cruz if you ask me. A President Clinton wouldn't build up nearly the amount of tea party steam that propelled those 3 into office.

Why not? The Clinton's are certainly not beloved by the hard right.

Presumably, a Hillary Clinton presidency wouldn't have brought out all the dog-whistle racism that added to the Tea Party. And it's not like the Republicans could get that much more misogynistic.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2015, 08:35:43 PM »

Pretty much whoever she picked as a running-mate.

Who would be running now on both sides, and which Republicans would have run in 2012? Immediately take out Paul, Rubio, and Cruz if you ask me. A President Clinton wouldn't build up nearly the amount of tea party steam that propelled those 3 into office.

Why not? The Clinton's are certainly not beloved by the hard right.

Presumably, a Hillary Clinton presidency wouldn't have brought out all the dog-whistle racism that added to the Tea Party. And it's not like the Republicans could get that much more misogynistic.


So which House, Senate and Govs races would the GOP have not won had Hillary been president in 2008 and 2012?
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