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  Powers of federal govt (Senate) and of regional govts. (Debating) (search mode)
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Author Topic: Powers of federal govt (Senate) and of regional govts. (Debating)  (Read 16073 times)
Senator Cris
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« on: October 09, 2015, 08:07:05 am »
« edited: November 09, 2015, 08:44:34 am by Speaker Cris »

This thread will be about powers denied to Senate and regions.

That's what Constitution says about this matter:

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 05:10:46 pm »

Delegates have 24 hours to object to the Truman's amendment.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 10:43:28 am »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 09:51:01 am »

Delegates have 24 hours to object. Sorry for the delay.

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2015, 03:44:23 pm »

A 48-hours vote is now open. Please vote.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 03:06:32 pm »

Abstain
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 04:09:26 pm »

AYE - 3
NAY - 8
ABSTAIN - 5

The amendment failed to pass.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2015, 07:33:34 am »

Delegates have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2015, 07:27:10 am »

If you are objecting to the amendment, please make clear it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 09:20:39 am »

Adam is right.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2015, 11:51:24 am »

Delegates have 24 hours to object.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2015, 09:02:18 am »

The Truman's amendment is adopted.

@Clyde.

Is that an amendment at current version?

If yes, please include your clauses in the current version. If not, I'll have to consider your amendment as a repeal of current text.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2015, 09:38:10 am »

The Truman's amendment is adopted.

@Clyde.

Is that an amendment at current version?

If yes, please include your clauses in the current version. If not, I'll have to consider your amendment as a repeal of current text.
It's a new section. There's nothing in the current constitution that talks about what powers the regions have - as far as I can see.

I'm referring to this current version (the Truman's amendment approved by the ConCon):

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Both amendments are about regions powers...
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2015, 11:21:01 am »

@Clyde

So your amendment is about another separate section? Something like this?

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2015, 04:04:18 pm »

I support Truman's proposal.
Delegates, what do you think? If there's enough consensus, we'll go with that option.
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 02:41:02 pm »

If JCL is willing to withdraw his amendment, I'll open a 48-hours "nominations" period tomorrow about powers of federal government (the remaining powers are denied to regions). Then a 48-hours vote.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 05:33:20 pm »

Delegates have 24 hours to object to the JCL's amendment.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 08:47:29 am »

A 48-hours is now open. Please vote.

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 12:41:18 pm »

The amendment failed.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2015, 01:18:57 pm »
« Edited: November 02, 2015, 03:21:48 pm by Speaker Cris »

Now, 72 hours for delegates to propose a list of powers that should belong to the federal government.

When the 72 hours period expires, I'll open a principle vote and all powers mentioned by a majority of voting delegates will be inserted in the new text of the Constitution.

All other powers (so those not denied to federal government) will be belong to the regional governments. So we'll say "All remaining powers are belong to the regional governments."
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2015, 03:22:46 pm »

Updated it. Sorry for the confusion (I'm not an US citizen Tongue )
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2015, 03:24:22 pm »

So we should propose powers that we want to belong only to the federal government. Powers with a majority of votes will be inserted in the constitution. All other powers will be belong to the regional governments. It's clear?
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2015, 02:59:30 am »

We are going to vote on all proposals, not on Truman's and JCL's texts.
So IIRC we'll vote on 19 proposals. But there's still time to propose other powers that should belong only to fed govt.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2015, 11:58:32 am »

We are going to vote on all proposals, not on Truman's and JCL's texts.
So IIRC we'll vote on 19 proposals. But there's still time to propose other powers that should belong only to fed govt.

Truman and I are proposing seperate yet frameworks to start from. Please don't treat them as mere texts.
Yes, I'm not treating them as texts, but as simple proposals.
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2015, 08:52:48 am »
« Edited: November 07, 2015, 02:47:33 pm by Speaker Cris »

A 48-hours vote is now open.

Should the following powers be granted to the federal government?
Remember that all remaining powers (those not granted to federal government) will be granted to regional governments.

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