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  Powers of federal govt (Senate) and of regional govts. (Debating)
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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2015, 01:23:25 am »

I completely agree. Less detail and high threshold is a better approach.
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2015, 01:24:35 am »

As part of my comprehensive plan to regulate inactivity and provide for a bicameral system, I propose the following amendment. Keep in mind that even without bicameralism, such a proposal would be ideal in terms of limiting the number of unfillable offices within the game. My ideal proposal for the formula in question is:

Idea #1 (My Favorite Idea)
  • <25% of the game's population = 3 Legislators
  • 25-40% of the game's population = 5 Legislators
  • >40% of the game's population = 3 Legislators

However, this can be debated and the specific formula is not defined below in the text. I have also left open the ability for Regions to reduce the number of seats they have in a given legislative cycle, in the event that a Region qualifies for, say, 5 seats but does not have the activity to sustain such numbers.

I don't believe that any of the current restrictions are excessive, nor can I think of any additional clauses that need to be added at the moment.



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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2015, 03:12:40 am »

I would support that amendment.
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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2015, 12:16:17 pm »
« Edited: October 18, 2015, 12:18:01 pm by President bore »

I think the senate is overmighty as it is when it comes to the federal government, and we shouldn't be giving them even more powers.

Also, seeing as we're going for a new and clearer constitution there's no need to reproduce the archaic language and archaic sections of the old one.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2015, 12:48:42 pm »

I completely agree. Less detail and high threshold is a better approach.

This. The Constitution should provide a framework, not a blueprint.
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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2015, 10:27:11 pm »

I completely agree. Less detail and high threshold is a better approach.

This. The Constitution should provide a framework, not a blueprint.

I think devolution is also the answer to discourage separatism and ensure that local candidates have real issues to decide and vote on. I still favor a federal system though, there is nothing incompatible with the two or necessitates that devolution requires a confederation system.
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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2015, 09:51:01 am »

Delegates have 24 hours to object. Sorry for the delay.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2015, 11:43:22 am »

I completely agree. Less detail and high threshold is a better approach.

This. The Constitution should provide a framework, not a blueprint.

Indeed.  Keep the constitution simple and easy to understand.
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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2015, 01:52:12 pm »

     I think the included Clause 5 should be a little less descriptive. Along the framework not a blueprint point (as Senator Truman eloquently put it), the detail of what the formula is based on and when it is applied should be left entirely up to the statute.

     I may prefer to let it pass and then propose an amendment to make that change, since I agree with the basic content of the amendment.
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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2015, 01:57:54 pm »

I object, for the reasons mentioned above.
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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2015, 03:44:23 pm »

A 48-hours vote is now open. Please vote.
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2015, 04:58:58 pm »

Abstain. I'm torn on the proposal itself, but I definitely think the present text is too bulky.
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2015, 05:11:11 pm »

Nay - but I like where this is going.
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2015, 05:32:06 pm »

     Since it is up for a vote now, I'll go ahead and vote nay so we can get a more spare version.
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2015, 07:12:41 pm »

Abstain
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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2015, 07:18:38 pm »

I don't know who proposed 67% as the requirement for the national referendum, but that is beyond ridiculous. You are trying to reinstitute the same legalism and inability to make any change that killed this game in the first place.

Keep in mind 60% of the vote nationwide almost always translates to 4/5 of regions anyway. I personally would support a lower threshold if not just an outright majority.
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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2015, 08:04:20 pm »

Abstain.
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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2015, 09:07:37 pm »

Aye - we can remove any other elements later, but there needs to be a basic framework for each section to begin with, rather than trying to piecemeal it all together one bit at a time from scratch.
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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2015, 10:12:44 am »

nay
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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2015, 10:38:18 am »

Nay
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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2015, 10:40:17 am »

Aye, but we'll need further work before its final.
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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2015, 10:48:17 am »

Abstain.
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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2015, 11:04:53 am »

Nay
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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2015, 12:36:45 pm »

AYE
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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2015, 02:39:54 pm »

nay. Clause 5 irks me
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