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ilikeverin
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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2015, 09:05:39 am »

Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
[Grin] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
[Grin] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[  ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[Grin] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[  ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2015, 02:41:27 pm »

Wait a second, are some people advocating repealing ALL laws? As in, including US laws made before 2004? Forcing us to go through the tedium of making laws for every single thing? Or have I misunderstood the last answer to that last question?

Yes, and I'm frankly surprised to not see more conservatives supporting such a measure. They're basically saying, "yeah - go ahead and give me an automatic liberal base-line from which to start over".

     I like to think we're realistic enough to not want to spend months passing laws to ban murder or set up armed forces. Wink
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« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2015, 03:54:02 pm »

Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[  ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[X] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[  ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2015, 04:19:51 pm »

Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[  ] No
[  ] Abstain


What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[  ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[X] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[  ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed

This is my vote as well
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« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2015, 01:13:40 am »

Wait a second, are some people advocating repealing ALL laws? As in, including US laws made before 2004? Forcing us to go through the tedium of making laws for every single thing? Or have I misunderstood the last answer to that last question?

Yes, and I'm frankly surprised to not see more conservatives supporting such a measure. They're basically saying, "yeah - go ahead and give me an automatic liberal base-line from which to start over".

     I like to think we're realistic enough to not want to spend months passing laws to ban murder or set up armed forces. Wink

What a shame then!
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« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2015, 01:52:58 am »

The whole point of the reset was to 1) make it so newer folks would more easily acclimate to the legal situation in the game and 2) provide an opportunity for devolution to occur. But the former was the primary concern as far as the reset was concerned and therefore matching with current laws is best in terms of accomplishing that. And we can still accomplish devolution as well and just repeal any further Federal laws in areas delegated to the regions.


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« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2015, 11:54:48 am »

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« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2015, 03:55:08 pm »

Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
(19) Yes
(2) No
(0) Abstain

Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
(18) Yes
(3) No
(0) Abstain

What should be the basis of the new Statute?
(0) We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
(16) We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
(4) All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
(1) Abstain
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« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2015, 07:13:59 pm »

Thank God.
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« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2015, 06:23:49 pm »
« Edited: November 18, 2015, 05:56:19 pm by Senator Truman »

I propose the following amendment:

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Delegates have 24 hours to object.

EDIT: 1.1 has been amended to reflect the threshold set in place by the current Constitution.
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« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2015, 01:16:20 am »
« Edited: November 18, 2015, 01:17:58 am by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

I object.


This is asking for trouble from a legal standpoint and would put the new constitution on shaky ground. Some would deny its legality, and that is not something Atlasia can afford during such a critical transition period.

This convention lacks the authority to change anything except for the process defined in the current Constitution. There is no way we can create an alternative process, without risking, the whole project being tossed out.
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« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2015, 03:18:24 pm »

     It may only be necessary to nullify statute passed by the Senate or by the Regions. The Constitution is customarily replaced when a new one is passed and anything else can stand or fall depending on how much its operation hinges upon nulled law.
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« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2015, 05:55:32 pm »

A vote is now open on Truman's amendment. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all delegates have voted.

     It may only be necessary to nullify statute passed by the Senate or by the Regions. The Constitution is customarily replaced when a new one is passed and anything else can stand or fall depending on how much its operation hinges upon nulled law.
I included "Constitutions" in the list of things to be nullified primarily to clarify that the old Regional Constitutions go out of effect with the current federal Constitution.

This is asking for trouble from a legal standpoint and would put the new constitution on shaky ground. Some would deny its legality, and that is not something Atlasia can afford during such a critical transition period.

This convention lacks the authority to change anything except for the process defined in the current Constitution. There is no way we can create an alternative process, without risking, the whole project being tossed out.
The two-thirds portion was a typo - I mistakenly thought that the current threshold was 2/3, rather than 3/4. The amendment has been edited accordingly.
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« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2015, 05:56:50 pm »

AYE
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« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2015, 10:31:59 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2015, 02:25:10 am »

Nay
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« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2015, 09:02:32 am »

Nay
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« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2015, 11:15:30 am »

Nay
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« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2015, 03:17:05 pm »

     Nay
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« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2015, 12:09:06 am »

I was pondering this earlier today, but the implementation of this is a critical matter.


I think that there needs to be a universal date established for the election of Regional Constitutional Conventions. These conventions would have to choose the first six Senators otherwise it could be months before the Senate is functioning. There also needs to be an election for The People's House, perhaps an irregular election, followed by the regular schedule followed thereafter.

Only after these Regional Conventions, Senators and House members have been elected can we begin functioning under the new Constitution. If the Presidency is changed to the point where Adam's term doesn't transcend the Constitutional change, then that has to be held as well.

I may be wrong with my history, but the country remained governed by the Articles of Confederation Government until Washington took office. Back in those days, gov't was not a 24/7 business, so they had it easier in some ways. I cannot support the President operating in the absence of a legislative branch during this process, after what happened last summer. I told Adam this point blank on IRC the last day of the election.

We will know the boundaries as soon as the Constitution is ratified. Lets say the first weekend following ratification, an election shall be held under the new boundaries for Regional Constitutional Conventions, administered by the present Secretary of Federal Elections Homelycooking or successor should he leave office (ERROR, Office created by legislation under Third Constitution!!!!!). These conventions shall then have a set period of time to select Regional Senators. Perhaps the same weekend, perhaps the following weekend, the first election for People's House. If the next weekend, then by the Monday no less than two weeks after ratification you can be up and running. The old constitution can then lapse at noon on the Monday following the second weekend following the ratification.

Regardless, this requires the old constitution to remain in effect past the point of ratification, even if just a week or two.  

So NAY
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« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2015, 06:49:39 am »

Abstain
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« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2015, 06:12:51 pm »

By a vote of 2 Ayes, 5 Nays, 1 Abstention, and with 17 members not voting1, this amendment has failed to be adopted.

1 Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves



I think Yankee brings up a very good point: while my inclination is to be a succinct as possible, this is one point where we should spell out the process in detail.
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« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2015, 07:52:27 pm »

Nay FTR.
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« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2015, 09:37:18 pm »

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« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2015, 10:21:35 pm »

I'm sorry, but it is absolutely pathetic that over 2/3s of delegates didn't vote on this.

Is there a limit on how many votes a delegate can miss before they are kicked out? I'm tackling a plethora of RL issues and am still able to show up to vote.
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