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Where We Griff 1 We Griff All
Adam Griffin
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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October 31, 2015, 01:12:47 AM »
How can
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wipe all laws and replace them with US laws until the point of reset? This convention isn't binding until it is in terms of affecting change, right? Wouldn't the Senate have to do such a thing, or am I misunderstanding what is being stated here?
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Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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Quote from: Lincoln Republican on October 28, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
This step must be taken for a truly new Atlasia.
Otherwise, Atlasia will forever be mired in the swamps and wastelands of the past.
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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October 31, 2015, 02:03:10 PM »
Quote from: RG Griff on October 31, 2015, 01:12:47 AM
How can
we
wipe all laws and replace them with US laws until the point of reset? This convention isn't binding until it is in terms of affecting change, right? Wouldn't the Senate have to do such a thing, or am I misunderstanding what is being stated here?
I think, similar to the last constitution, the plan is just to insert a line saying something to the effect that all previous laws are repealed and so on.
Anyway, given it's been like 4 days can we have the principle vote now?
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Adam Griffin
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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October 31, 2015, 07:52:40 PM »
Quote from: President bore on October 31, 2015, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: RG Griff on October 31, 2015, 01:12:47 AM
How can
we
wipe all laws and replace them with US laws
until
the point of reset? This convention isn't binding until it is in terms of affecting change, right? Wouldn't the Senate have to do such a thing, or am I misunderstanding what is being stated here?
I think, similar to the last constitution, the plan is just to insert a line saying something to the effect that all previous laws are repealed and so on.
Anyway, given it's been like 4 days can we have the principle vote now?
Oh, well I misunderstood. Note the word in bold: I thought someone was suggesting that we somehow nullify all of the laws right now via the ConCon (somehow), before ratification.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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Quote from: President bore on October 31, 2015, 02:03:10 PM
Anyway, given it's been like 4 days can we have the principle vote now?
Yes, lets move ahead with this. It's pretty clear that a consensus on the issue has been reached.
In addition, I suggest that this be the format of said vote:
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Clark Kent
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I like Truman's format.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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November 01, 2015, 12:39:47 PM »
Yeah, a principle vote is the best thing to do.
But I have decided to split the question about wiping laws between federal and regional laws. It's better.
This principle vote will last for 48 hours. Delegates, please vote.
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I'm not sure the ConCon can act about wiping current laws. So the Senate will have to follow this ConCon principle vote and act on this matter.
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Re: Wiping all current laws. (PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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November 01, 2015, 01:31:05 PM »
Seems pretty straight-forward to me. A fresh start is needed, and I think it would be difficult to keep regional laws if we're consolidating. As to the third question, the third option is simply out of the question. Reverting to 2004 will require more effort as a lot has changed since then - starting now puts everyone on good footing and allows us to have debates that are relevant IRL, which should draw in more interest.
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What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[ ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[X] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[ ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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Re: Wiping all current laws. (PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Abstain
Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Abstain
What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[ ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[X] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[ ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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The way to go about this seems pretty straightforward to me. Let's do this.
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Quote from: Speaker Cris on November 01, 2015, 12:39:47 PM
I'm not sure the ConCon can act about wiping current laws.
It can. We would simply include a clause in the Constitution saying, in effect:
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What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[ ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[ ] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[ ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
[X] Abstain
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What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[ ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[ X ] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[ ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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Wait a second, are some people advocating repealing ALL laws? As in, including US laws made before 2004? Forcing us to go through the tedium of making laws for every single thing? Or have I misunderstood the last answer to that last question?
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Re: Wiping all current laws
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Quote from: Governor Leinad on November 02, 2015, 03:50:06 AM
Wait a second, are some people advocating repealing ALL laws? As in, including US laws made before 2004? Forcing us to go through the tedium of making laws for every single thing? Or have I misunderstood the last answer to that last question?
Yes, and I'm frankly surprised to not see more conservatives supporting such a measure. They're basically saying, "yeah - go ahead and give me an automatic liberal base-line from which to start over".
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Re: Wiping all current laws. (PRINCIPLE VOTE)
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November 02, 2015, 08:51:28 AM »
Should all laws passed by the Senate since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Abstain
Should all laws passed by the Regions since 2004 be repealed?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Abstain
What should be the basis of the new Statute?
[ ] We should revert to the status quo as of February, 2004
[X] We should use the current US statute (up to the date of ratification)
[ ] All laws, including pre-2004 legislation, should be repealed
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