Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)

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I'm in favour of two regions.

We need to ask ourselves why we want regions? I think the answer is a combination of multiple things, to be a place where newcomers can get started easily, to be a place with a different political culture to the large senate and to have something which the federal government can interact with. None of these things require the regions to really interact with each other and it's telling that they almost never do.

One of the main points we can all agree on is there are too many offices in atlasia so we shouldn't have 3 regions, because regions take up an enormous amount of offices unless we have to, and given the purposes of regions, we don't have to.

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Nay

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This type of insanely over prescriptive detail is a large part of what's wrong with the constitution at the moment.

If we must have something about secession in the constitution (and I don't see why we should) it should be something along the lines of "No region may secede from this union except when the majority of it's citizens have expressed a clear and sustained desire to do so"

[bore]

Aye

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Aye

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Yes

(As a side note I think votes like these are the best way to proceed on all of the questions, rather than just proposing lots of random amendments, and after this vote I move that we have a vote on the number of regions we want)

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1. 2 regions
2. 3 regions
3. 4 regions

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Aye

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I don't know exactly what the ConCon rules are, but presumably like the senate rules there is a way for the presiding officer to suspend them if neccessary.

Therefore, I motion to just suspend all amendments in the queue, have 48 hours or something for everyone to propose their own maps and names for the regions and then have an IRV vote on that.


When it comes to region names I don't think the let the regions decide idea is the right one because they'll have the vote to decide on the name after the constitutions adoption leading to a lot of confusion about what each regions name is. Why don't we name them, and if they want to change their name they can petition the federal government in some way?

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Nay

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West, South, Northeast

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Abstain

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Nay

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Option 1
Nay

Option 2
Aye

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It's bad enough giving the regions carte blanche authority to rename their regions with stupid and ridiculous names, but giving them authority to rename their states with even more stupid names is one of the most ridiculous amendments I have ever seen proposed in my life here on this forum.

Will this madness never end?

     It's also been the law of the land for over a decade with no real downsides. A major factor in the health and strength of the regions is allowing them to have unique cultures determined by those living there. Stifling that doesn't help.

The law of the land allows regions to rename states but still mandates that the use of the real names be accepted as well for registering people and legislation and so on. I agree with winfield that if that changes there will be serious problems.

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Nay

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Nay