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Author Topic: Number of Regions/Regional Governments (DEBATE CLOSED)  (Read 40731 times)
Senator Cris
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« on: October 08, 2015, 10:36:41 am »
« edited: February 17, 2016, 10:29:54 am by Speaker Cris »

This is what the Constitution said about our regions.

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 10:38:51 am »

I think we should insert in the Constitution the number of new regions and what states are included in a region. Also we should work about Section 1.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 11:16:48 am »

To all delegates: please specify if it's an amendment or just a suggestion.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 12:22:14 pm »

I'd like to remember: when you present an amendment, please specify that it's an amendment. The same for when you'll object to amendments. Please specify that it's an objection.

These are the rules:

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Delegates have 24 hours to object to Evergreen's amendment:

proposed amendment:

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 02:01:32 pm »

I'll let the debate going on today.
Tomorrow, I'll open a 48-hours vote.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2015, 12:21:40 am »
« Edited: October 09, 2015, 12:52:59 am by Speaker Cris »

Evergreen retired his amendment.
Delegates have 24 hours to object to Truman's amendment:

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2015, 07:50:49 am »

I'd like to ask you to not overlap your amendments.

After Truman's amendment, there are other amendments:

Classic Conservative's amendment and Never Again's amendment.

If Truman's amendment will pass, all other amendments will be automatically changed in order to reflect that there isn't a current text, but it's TBD. But the content will be the same.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 02:57:10 am »

Truman's amendment has been adopted.
This is the current version:

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Now, let's go to Classic Conservative amendment.

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I removed 2 and 6 only because there is not a text, so it might have other numbers in the future.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 12:03:36 pm »

A 48-hours vote on Classic Conservative's amendment is now open.

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 02:53:45 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 10:41:49 am »

It surprises how individuals who have claimed to advocate for regional rights for years are now voting AGAINST regional rights on one of the most important votes related to it we have seen.
Well, it's a bit different.
One count is regional rights (in this case the debate'd be more rights to regions vs. more rights to fed. govt) but another count is letting regions secede from Atlasia.

Duke explains it very well:

Aye
What's the point in having a country if you're just letting regions leave whenever they get angry? Preserve the union.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2015, 12:12:53 pm »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 12:21:09 pm by Speaker Cris »

AYE: 10
NAY: 9
ABSTAIN: 2

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2015, 12:29:35 pm »

This is the current text:

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Now, let's go to NeverAgain's amendment:

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This was a counter amendment to Classic Conservative's one, so I'd suggest the sponsor, if he wants to keep it, to withdraw it and propose another amendment with the same content but with the current text strikethrough.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 03:06:29 pm »

Again: don't overlap amendments and when you present  amendments don't forget to strikethrough the current text.

@NeverAgain: I should assume that with your amendment you want to strike the current text and enterely replace it with the content of your amendment, right?
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2015, 07:51:56 am »

Again: please not overlap your amendments!

I'd like to remember that there are a lot of amendments:
- NeverAgain's amendment;
- Oakvale's amendment;
- Leinad's amendment;
- Clyde's amendment.

Considered that NeverAgain has not responded to my questions, I'll go ahead with his amendment.
I URGE ALL OTHER DELEGATES TO WITHDRAW THEIR AMENDMENTS.

Now, let's go to NeverAgain's amendment. Various people objected. A 48-hours vote is now open.

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2015, 08:11:47 am »

We can't stop one month to debate about secession rights with an amendment, then a counter amendment, then another counter amendment that strikes what approved early and then another that strikes the previous amendment. It's not the right way to act.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2015, 01:44:32 pm »

Nay
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 08:03:07 am »

NAY: 10
AYE: 7
ABSTAIN: 4

The amendment has failed to pass.

Now, it's time for Oakvale's amendment;

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2015, 09:35:19 am »

A 48-hours vote on Oakvale's amendment is now open. Please vote.

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2015, 09:41:53 am »

Nay

What's the point of having a game like Atlasia if we are letting secession?
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2015, 10:04:41 am »

NAY: 9
AYE: 7
ABSTAIN: 2

The amendment has failed to pass.

Now, it's time for Leinad's amendment:

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2015, 04:11:03 pm »

A 48-hours vote on this amendment is now open. Please vote.

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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2015, 02:48:24 am »

I propose we:

- vote on the Clyde and Tmth's amendment;
- then, if these two amendments are NOT approved, we vote on a simple ballot: "Should secession be legal?".
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2015, 02:53:42 am »
« Edited: October 18, 2015, 03:23:11 am by Speaker Cris »

I'm against secession, but I think Tmthforu's amendment is a very sensible amendment and that it might be a good compromise. This doesn't mean I'm in favour of secession. I think secession doesn't make sense in a game like Atlasia, but this amendment is a lot better than the others.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2015, 03:04:15 am »

Nay on the Leinad's amendment.
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